• Oh yeah btw, the US government is 8 days away from shutting down again
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[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-congress-funding-idUSKCN11S2DF[/url] [quote]A behind-the-scenes congressional battle to avoid a U.S. government shutdown broke into public view on Thursday when Republicans produced a stop-gap funding bill that Democrats immediately rejected. The federal fiscal year ends on Sept. 30 and Congress must pass a spending measure by then to keep the government open. In recent years, lawmakers have seldom been able to agree on a full federal budget and instead have relied on stop-gap measures. Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell capped weeks of labored negotiations by proposing a continuing resolution that would provide just over $1 trillion to fund government agencies from Oct. 1 through Dec. 9. The measure also includes $1.1 billion to combat the spreading Zika virus, $500 million in flood relief for states including Louisiana and $74 billion for U.S. military operations overseas. "There have been broad requests for a clean continuing resolution. So that's what I've just offered," said McConnell, who described the measure as a product of bipartisan negotiations. But Democrats quickly opposed the resolution as "a Republican-only bill" that would not help Flint, Michigan, cope with lead-contaminated water and leave in place a prohibition against the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission requiring public companies to disclose political spending. "We Democrats cannot vote for that," said Senator Barbara Mikulski, top Democrat on the Senate Appropriations Committee.[/quote] Update: A deal has been reached to fund the government for 10 weeks. It includes the Flint funding that Democrats wanted [url]https://apnews.com/cd7b3fb25bcd49428905c8ed39d3fc2c/Congress-tied-up-in-partisan-knots-over-the-most-basic-duty[/url] [quote]The legislation extends existing spending levels a mere 10 weeks, past Election Day, while finally addressing the Zika crisis with $1.1 billion and providing long-sought help for the residents of Flint, Michigan, as well as flood victims in Louisiana. After a last-minute burst of deal-making, the legislation passed the Senate on a 72-26 vote Wednesday and was backed by the House 342-85 in a late-night vote Wednesday. It was a conclusion in sight and within reach since lawmakers returned from their summer recess just after Labor Day. But with the Capitol awash in election-year politics and shadowed by the contentious presidential race and engulfed in a fierce battle for control of the Senate, the simplest task became a nearly impossible heavy lift impeded by needless delays and bitter finger-pointing.[/quote]
[quote]But Democrats quickly opposed the resolution as "a Republican-only bill" that would not help Flint, Michigan, cope with lead-contaminated water and leave in place a prohibition against the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission requiring public companies to disclose political spending.[/quote] I understand the Flint Michigan thing, but for fucks sake, that other thing is completely unrelated. Why can't that be its own issue? I mean yeah, public companies SHOULD be required to disclose political spending. But that doesn't need to be a rider on a bill that KEEPS THE GOVERNMENT FROM SHUTTING DOWN. The Democrats are just doing the same thing the Republicans did the last time this happened.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;51090361]I understand the Flint Michigan thing, but for fucks sake, that other thing is completely unrelated. Why can't that be its own issue? I mean yeah, public companies SHOULD be required to disclose political spending. But that doesn't need to be a rider on a bill that KEEPS THE GOVERNMENT FROM SHUTTING DOWN. The Democrats are just doing the same thing the Republicans did the last time this happened.[/QUOTE] Welcome to politics
Yup, the political parties have both used one issue to force another issue. Basically, they'll refuse to sign one law without another unrelated law being included. Which is stupid, each issue should be its own discussion.
It's insane how much the schism between the two parties are growing decade after decade. Both are so hellbent on their agendas, and neither want to actually compromise on resolutions that need to be passed for the sake of the country. I hate to be the dude that brings up the founding fathers, but seriously, compare today's Senate to the Convention and Continental Congress. There was actual bipartisanship, rather than petty bickering.
The GOP really needs start passing bills in senate, the Election is not going for them, Clinton regained her 5 point lead (because the Pneumonia scare is over, and Donald shitting himself again, and still is)
[QUOTE=Omilinon;51090491]It's insane how much the schism between the two parties are growing decade after decade. Both are so hellbent on their agendas, and neither want to actually compromise on resolutions that need to be passed for the sake of the country. I hate to be the dude that brings up the founding fathers, but seriously, compare today's Senate to the Convention and Continental Congress. There was actual bipartisanship, rather than petty bickering.[/QUOTE] Well, the truth is that neither of the major political parties care one whit for America. At least, they've yet to demonstrate that they do in their actions.
Yawn.
Samuel Jackson says: Hold on to your butts.
[QUOTE=Omilinon;51090491]It's insane how much the schism between the two parties are growing decade after decade. Both are so hellbent on their agendas, and neither want to actually compromise on resolutions that need to be passed for the sake of the country. I hate to be the dude that brings up the founding fathers, but seriously, compare today's Senate to the Convention and Continental Congress. There was actual bipartisanship, rather than petty bickering.[/QUOTE] Oh there was political bickering even then. It's just that they had common sense and were able to compromise to pass things.
[QUOTE=archangel125;51090536]Well, the truth is that neither of the major political parties care one whit for America. At least, they've yet to demonstrate that they do in their actions.[/QUOTE] They do care. Trying to pass a law that makes businesses disclose political spending is a legitimate attempt to improve America. Problem is, they're being children about it. They're playing chicken with the US government, except it's even worse because both sides know that the actual consequences for the government shutting down won't be catastrophic (it happened before and barely anyone cared), so it's just going to shut down longer and longer each time.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;51090717]Oh there was political bickering even then. It's just that they had common sense and were able to compromise to pass things.[/QUOTE] There's a significant difference between political bickering and acting like a child when you're a representative in the country's legislative assembly. Hamilton and Jefferson, for instance, argued with each other immensely, of course, but both wanted the best for the United States, even when they were in two totally different sides of the political spectrum. Nowadays? I'd easily bet that most want the best for their pockets.
[quote] and leave in place a prohibition against the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission requiring public companies to disclose political spending.[/quote] hey republicans, you know why trump is your candidate? because of massive crony capitalism projects like this
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;51090361]I understand the Flint Michigan thing, but for fucks sake, that other thing is completely unrelated. Why can't that be its own issue? I mean yeah, public companies SHOULD be required to disclose political spending. But that doesn't need to be a rider on a bill that KEEPS THE GOVERNMENT FROM SHUTTING DOWN. The Democrats are just doing the same thing the Republicans did the last time this happened.[/QUOTE] And yet that's the only way you'll ever get things like that pushed through the partisan fuckery. You pretty much have to abuse the fuck out of things like riders and filibusters to even attempt to reform anything in this country.
Green eggs and ham time!
if the government shuts down, then that means, you have no laws?
[QUOTE=tomatmann;51091388]if the government shuts down, then that means, you have no laws?[/QUOTE] No, the government shutting down doesn't mean instant purge. Stuff like national parks and the like close down, not police departments, as those get funded by other means. Federal funds stop coming in too as far as I heard, so stuff like domestic abuse shelters or anything that relies heavily on federal funds will be affected. Really gets tiring to hear "the government will probably shut down" every year now, really wish whatever is causing all this nonsense would stop.
[media]https://youtu.be/cFA8rLknjms[/media]
[QUOTE=tomatmann;51091388]if the government shuts down, then that means, you have no laws?[/QUOTE] Government employees are not paid on the federal level, most welfare programs get locked up/cut, ect. It's just a shit show all around.
[QUOTE=Omilinon;51090491]It's insane how much the schism between the two parties are growing decade after decade. Both are so hellbent on their agendas, and neither want to actually compromise on resolutions that need to be passed for the sake of the country. I hate to be the dude that brings up the founding fathers, but seriously, compare today's Senate to the Convention and Continental Congress. There was actual bipartisanship, rather than petty bickering.[/QUOTE] you don't even need to go back to the founding regime, both parties were working together pretty well even in the 1970s
Love hearing that my dad might again be put on a forced vacation because of this. He's like only a few years from retirement and the first time this happened, it sucked hard for us.
Could you write a rider to say that all subsequently written riders are no longer able to contain certain lengths of text, or can't be separate legal policies all together or just flat out invalidate all subsequent riders? Eliminate a huge tool for both parties but at least let one side know it's coming to some degree so they have an advantage in the scramble? Politics is more like war than what I feel it should be. I forget where the phrase comes from but whoever said "those who seek power don't deserve and those that deserve it never seek it" was right
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51091576]Could you write a rider to say that all subsequently written riders are no longer able to contain certain lengths of text, or can't be separate legal policies all together or just flat out invalidate all subsequent riders? Eliminate a huge tool for both parties but at least let one side know it's coming to some degree so they have an advantage in the scramble? Politics is more like war than what I feel it should be. I forget where the phrase comes from but whoever said "those who seek power don't deserve and those that deserve it never seek it" was right[/QUOTE] This is entirely possible, but would probably require a constitutional amendment. [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-subject_rule#United_States]41 out of 50 states[/url] already have a 'single-subject rule' in their constitutions, but movements to [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_subject_amendment]introduce it at a federal level[/url] have never gotten off the ground.
I hate Sept/Oct in the military. Especially potential shut downs. Supplies always stop being ordered. I got denied/told backordered for funding for a fucking critical form for record keeping regarding flash-sterilization of surgical equipment. We also are dwindled down for critical items. Like surgical gowns. You know how important sterile surgical gowns are in an operating room [sp] they're really important [/sp] But don't worry. we just had 1000s of dollars of chest tubes in boxes (yes plural) that just expired at a facility that doesn't do thoracic cases.
[QUOTE=smurfy;51090297]when Republicans produced a stop-gap funding bill that Democrats immediately rejected.[/QUOTE] I'm sure this fact will be lost when this is brought up for the next 3 years.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;51091835]I hate Sept/Oct in the military. Especially potential shut downs. Supplies always stop being ordered. I got denied/told backordered for funding for a fucking critical form for record keeping regarding flash-sterilization of surgical equipment. We also are dwindled down for critical items. Like surgical gowns. You know how important sterile surgical gowns are in an operating room [sp] they're really important [/sp] But don't worry. we just had 1000s of dollars of chest tubes in boxes (yes plural) that just expired at a facility that doesn't do thoracic cases.[/QUOTE] Sounds like your supply PO should have squared everything away before purchase cards were shut off! I'm in the same situation bro albeit with office equipment, I can't order any fucking pens til October 1st lmao. [editline]23rd September 2016[/editline] you can still order your critical stuff though. just talk to your purchasing department, there's still a credit card for mission critical items. might have to submit a PR for it is all.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51091576]Could you write a rider to say that all subsequently written riders are no longer able to contain certain lengths of text, or can't be separate legal policies all together or just flat out invalidate all subsequent riders? Eliminate a huge tool for both parties but at least let one side know it's coming to some degree so they have an advantage in the scramble? Politics is more like war than what I feel it should be. I forget where the phrase comes from but whoever said "those who seek power don't deserve and those that deserve it never seek it" was right[/QUOTE] And then the very next thing that Congress would do is pass a bill to allow riders once again. As Congress has the power to propose laws, it has the power to repeal them too. That's why many of the operating procedures of governments are written into strong constitutions.
[QUOTE=sb27;51092151]And then the very next thing that Congress would do is pass a bill to allow riders once again. As Congress has the power to propose laws, it has the power to repeal them too. That's why many of the operating procedures of governments are written into strong constitutions.[/QUOTE] Which is why the only permanent resolution would be to make an amendment about it, but that's not happening anytime soon unless we get a new Bull Moose movement going, and that's going to be really hard to do considering how many people in this country are fucking retarded.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51092227]Which is why the only permanent resolution would be to make an amendment about it, but that's not happening anytime soon unless we get a new Bull Moose movement going, and that's going to be really hard to do considering how many people in this country are fucking retarded.[/QUOTE] Well there is the Modern Whig party, but they are struggling to gain traction since they have none of the cons that the Republicans or Democrats do.
Can't wait to see if I get paid or not. Always a fun time.
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