• Pentagon paid PR firm $540mn to make fake terrorist videos
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[url]https://www.rt.com/usa/361385-pentagon-pr-firm-terrorist-videos/[/url] [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/55se1i/pentagon_caught_paying_pr_firm_540_million_to/[/url] [url]http://labs.thebureauinvestigates.com/fake-news-and-false-flags/[/url] [QUOTE="RT"] The Pentagon paid a UK PR firm half a billion dollars to create fake terrorist videos in Iraq in a secret propaganda campaign exposed by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism. PR firm Bell Pottinger, known for its array of controversial clients including the Saudi government and Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet’s foundation, worked with the US military to create the propaganda in a secretive operation. The firm reported to the CIA, the National Security Council and the Pentagon on the project with a mandate to portray Al-Qaeda in a negative light and track suspected sympathizers. Both the White House and General David Petraeus, the former general who shared classified information with his mistress, signed off on the content produced by the agency. [/QUOTE] I know it's RT (which has propaganda against America and new could be fake) but even if news are true, you won't hear about that from American sources.
Remember that they repealed the part of Smith-Mundt act that forbade US government propaganda being published to its citizens. Funnily enough FOX is a banned source here for "being entertainment", which somehow invalidates everything they do, yet everyone will gladly dismiss the notion of this despite it having a chance of being true.
it should come as no real surprise to anyone that part of the terror in the world we live in is engineered by the system in order to lull us into complacency and powerless fear under their rule. [editline]4th October 2016[/editline] infact technically all of the most well-known terrorist groups in the modern era are engineered since world governments are either directly or tangentially responsible for their formation and current power. modern media and government intelligence departments are also directly responsible for the atmosphere of fear because they will willingly provide evidence of heinous acts packaged in a way that incites a narrative of fear and helplessness rather than disgust and a desire to resist.
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;51151975]it should come as no real surprise to anyone that part of the terror in the world we live in is engineered by the system in order to lull us into complacency and powerless fear under their rule.[/QUOTE] Like [URL="http://adam.curry.com/enc/1472413723.811_britishmponisisgenocidea2-year-oldboywaskilledgroundupandfedtohismother.mp3"]this[/URL] clearly bullshit story? A story from a fairy tale is being spoke about by politicians.
you are living in a simulation.
[QUOTE=benwaddi;51151995]Like [URL="http://adam.curry.com/enc/1472413723.811_britishmponisisgenocidea2-year-oldboywaskilledgroundupandfedtohismother.mp3"]this[/URL] clearly bullshit story? A story from a fairy tale is being spoke about by politicians.[/QUOTE] yes, exactly. the current narrative and means of stripping the individual of power is to create an environment and news narrative where the only real response is to go "oh dear" and feel utterly helpless at the sliding terror of the world. and it's working. the only way you can resist is live happily for yourself (albeit not selfishly, mind) despite their attempts at terrorizing you into submission and complacency. is this intentional? i don't know. i'd like to say no, but then again we've had over a hundred years of other, more overt methods of oppression that haven't worked, whereas this is a method of oppression that is so very rarely called out.
I'll admit, I'd want to see this coming from another source
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;51152004]yes, exactly. the current narrative and means of stripping the individual of power is to create an environment and news narrative where the only real response is to go "oh dear" and feel utterly helpless at the sliding terror of the world. and it's working. the only way you can resist is live happily for yourself (albeit not selfishly, mind) despite their attempts at terrorizing you into submission and complacency. is this intentional? i don't know. i'd like to say no, but then again we've had over a hundred years of other, more overt methods of oppression that haven't worked, whereas this is a method of oppression that is so very rarely called out.[/QUOTE] Helplessness breeds unquestioning loyalty and apathy, which is nice if you plan to rubblize areas for [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq-Syria_pipeline"]future projects[/URL] and to oust political obstacles in your way.
did a ton of Googling and found only blog sources, opinion pieces, and alt-right/parody news sites. Probably safe to say this article's a bust.
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;51151975]it should come as no real surprise to anyone that part of the terror in the world we live in is engineered by the system in order to lull us into complacency and powerless fear under their rule. [editline]4th October 2016[/editline] infact technically all of the most well-known terrorist groups in the modern era are engineered since world governments are either directly or tangentially responsible for their formation and current power. modern media and government intelligence departments are also directly responsible for the atmosphere of fear because they will willingly provide evidence of heinous acts packaged in a way that incites a narrative of fear and helplessness rather than disgust and a desire to resist.[/QUOTE] I don't know what you've been reading, but this wasn't meant for western audiences. It says right in the source that the main target were people watching these kinds of videos in the middle east; that is, people who were looking to join Al-Qaeda or the like. Hence the IP tracking - by watching it through RealPlayer, the file would send the IP address of whoever was watching it so that they could see where they were.
RT makes the legitimacy of this highly questionable. Given the nature of recent US/Russia relations, how perfectly timed is it to suddenly hear such damning news? Is the US gov't infallible? Certainly not but this is too good to be true.
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;51151996]you are living in a simulation.[/QUOTE] Saying sensational shit like this doesn't really help you make your case.
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;51151975]it should come as no real surprise to anyone that part of the terror in the world we live in is engineered by the system in order to lull us into complacency and powerless fear under their rule.[/QUOTE] If you read the article, you'd see that the propaganda targeted Iraqi citizens. They made news broadcasts and TV shows denouncing terrorism and portraying opposition to terrorism as rewarding. The second worst thing in there is the part where it says the military planted propaganda videos in raided buildings, and tracked them to see when and where they were watched (if one was watched in another country a week later, that's the one we'd look for). The worst thing isn't even part of the current article, but a mention that the US Military was caught writing their own articles for newspapers in 2005. That said, I'm skeptical because the only source for this is "one guy said so".
Nice sources.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51152021]did a ton of Googling and found only blog sources, opinion pieces, and alt-right/parody news sites. Probably safe to say this article's a bust.[/QUOTE] Even if it is true, they were using it to identify and track people who were going to be suspectable to terrorist recruiting
Mods need to edit the title to add "fake terrorist videos for potential terrorists to watch" IMO.
[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;51152029]RT makes the legitimacy of this highly questionable. Given the nature of recent US/Russia relations, how perfectly timed is it to suddenly hear such damning news? Is the US gov't infallible? Certainly not but this is too good to be true.[/QUOTE] The US, Russia, China and the EU always have something going on so anything that comes out against them is "perfectly timed". Sure the article may very well be bullshit but the fact the process, both legal and production wise, is in place to manufacture such propaganda is worrying since it can easily be turned on the American people.
This is the one conspiracy theory I always thought was the most believable. I'm still not going to be supposed if it's true.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51152060]It has a first-hand source. And it is new. Look up Bureau of Investigative Journalism for credibility. [editline]4th October 2016[/editline] [url]https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/who/[/url] Look at the above link, anyone who wants to learn more about the [B]actual [/B]source.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/soap-operas-and-fakery-selling-peace-in-iraq-h5m5sscr9[/url] Pay money if you want to read another source.
[QUOTE=FlandersNed;51152026]I don't know what you've been reading, but this wasn't meant for western audiences. It says right in the source that the main target were people watching these kinds of videos in the middle east; that is, people who were looking to join Al-Qaeda or the like. Hence the IP tracking - by watching it through RealPlayer, the file would send the IP address of whoever was watching it so that they could see where they were.[/QUOTE] the audience doesn't matter. if they're doing this to foreign markets, what makes you think they're not doing this domestically? [editline]4th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Socram;51152031]Saying sensational shit like this doesn't really help you make your case.[/QUOTE] i dont really care if i make a case or not. if you want to believe me, or even just cherrypick what you believe of my philosophy, then great. i dont post to be believed or to be adored or even have my posts read, i post b/c this torrid website is a great place to harmlessly vent my fury at the news.
It appears that these were only broadcast in the middle east, unless I'm missing something, nothing said they were put anywhere on U.S. channels.
[QUOTE=pilot man;51152085][url]http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/soap-operas-and-fakery-selling-peace-in-iraq-h5m5sscr9[/url] Pay money if you want to read another source.[/QUOTE] Headline from The Times: Soap operas and fakery: selling peace in Iraq Tim Bell’s firm used drama and subterfuge to help America win hearts and minds and to combat militants.
[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51152139]It appears that these were only broadcast in the middle east, unless I'm missing something, nothing said they were put anywhere on U.S. channels.[/QUOTE] The thing is, if the videos were reported on in the US as real then that's an issue or if they were heard about by the media and they didn't publish a report on them due to a government recommendation then that is also an issue. If a tiny news organisation is duped by it in the US then it should be treated as the biggest one being duped and should cause outrage. There's more angles here than just "oh it's just middle eastern propaganda to stop the terrorists".
This was on reddit the other day, its not as bad as it seems. Apparently the videos were released on CDs and needed real player to run, real player needs to connect to the internet were the CDs could be tracked. They used the videos to catch terrorists not trick the public, hopefully.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51152014]Remember the Kuwaiti [sp]princess[/sp] girl talking about Iraqi soldiers throwing infants on the ground?[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)[/url] Was the daughter of an ambassador, but close enough.
[QUOTE=Fourier;51151934] I know it's RT (which has propaganda against America and new could be fake) but even if news are true, you won't hear about that from American sources.[/QUOTE] If nothing else it proves media censorship is alive and well in the good old u.s of a.
[QUOTE=Xron;51152267]This was on reddit the other day, its not as bad as it seems. Apparently the videos were released on CDs and needed real player to run, real player needs to connect to the internet were the CDs could be tracked. They used the videos to catch terrorists not trick the public, hopefully.[/QUOTE] Even the RT article says they looked for anomalies, such as a video planted in one area being watched somewhere else far away.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51152336]Not really, this is a pretty huge story that any self-respecting journalist would want to get a hold of and publish asap. The problem is that it's complete horseshit that somebody just made up. Thus nobody would wants to publish it and literally kill their career and any credibility they might have, on the spot.[/QUOTE] The Times are publishing it and they are not known in media circles for publishing horseshit.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51152336]Not really, this is a pretty huge story that any self-respecting journalist would want to get a hold of and publish asap. The problem is that it's complete horseshit that somebody just made up. Thus nobody would wants to publish it and literally kill their career and any credibility they might have, on the spot.[/QUOTE] True, but if you publish legit info that can hurt one of the leaders you can expect to get punished/silenced.
Horrible sources
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