• USGS says an artificial earthquake occurred in North Korea - indicating a possible nuke test
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[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/12/korea-north-nuclear-test-idINDEE91B00Q20130212[/url] [quote=Reuters]Seismic activity has been detected in North Korea with an earthquake measuring 4.9 registered by the U.S. Geological Survey.[/quote] [editline]11th February 2013[/editline] USGS page: [url]http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/usc000f5t0[/url]
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;39557173][url]http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/12/korea-north-nuclear-test-idINDEE91B00Q20130212[/url][/QUOTE] Where would they test a nuke that wouldnt fuck the entire country??? Its so tiny!
What happens if it was a nuclear test?
[QUOTE=Deadman123;39557187]Where would they test a nuke that wouldnt fuck the entire country??? Its so tiny![/QUOTE] Probably underground
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;39557188]What happens if it was a nuclear test?[/QUOTE] The UN would write another angry letter with the recipient being North Korea.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;39557188]What happens if it was a nuclear test?[/QUOTE] many angry letters will be written
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;39557188]What happens if it was a nuclear test?[/QUOTE] More sanctions. Because its such a great deterrent!
damn it [editline]11th February 2013[/editline] i'm not meant to be in this thread
Oh Pyongyang when will you learn.
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;39557193]The UN would write another angry letter with the recipient being North Korea.[/QUOTE] Actually, China in this case is going to be pissed because they keep giving North Korea oil to heat and power the country, plus all the food to feed the people who end up eating each other when they run out. A nuke test is just a fuck you to anyone who tells them not to do it, and China said to knock it off after the last one. They're probably going to be more firm on a reaction than any Western power.
[QUOTE=Deadman123;39557187]Where would they test a nuke that wouldnt fuck the entire country??? Its so tiny![/QUOTE] Underground, like very nuclear test of the past 40 years
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;39557253]Actually, China in this case is going to be pissed because they keep giving North Korea oil to heat and power the country, plus all the food to feed the people who end up eating each other when they run out. A nuke test is just a fuck you to anyone who tells them not to do it, and China said to knock it off after the last one. They're probably going to be more firm on a reaction than any Western power.[/QUOTE] "Hey Kim. The other guys across the pond are getting pissy and I don't want them affecting our trade somehow so could you please cut it out?" The UN can push around and pressure whatever and whoever they want however at the end of the day North Korea is bold enough to say that we may live on the same planet but because you technically don't have any control over other countries when you start crossing borders, you can eat Kim's ass. Sure we don't want them even touching the mighty atom but if they have the resources to do so, they can do it all they want. Personally I see no reason to panic and intervene until the north actually DOES launch a warhead, at which point the now half a century old global missile defense systems of the cold war will knock it down. THEN we can rationally go to war with them. This isn't like the cold war where both sides had many, many advanced nukes. It's many against three at most. The North launches and they lose. No exceptions.
China's gonna be pissed, man.
I wonder how many more times this will happen before North Korea stars a war
[QUOTE=Deadman123;39557187]Where would they test a nuke that wouldnt fuck the entire country??? Its so tiny![/QUOTE] The entire country is already fucked.
This is rather scary.. The yield of that nuclear device, would have to be rather large to be detected, let alone measure in at 4.9!
Judging by the magnitude, and comparing to the 2006 and 2009 nuclear tests, it was probably in the range of 3-4 kilotons. Which is low enough that you could fake it, by just piling up a bunch of TNT or other explosives and calling it a nuke. There's suspicion that some of their earlier tests did this. Also, they're supposed to be running two tests around now, from what North Korea said. So expect to hear this news repeated in a few days.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;39557383]This is rather scary.. The yield of that nuclear device, would have to be rather large to be detected, let alone measure in at 4.9![/QUOTE] They're saying it was only 5 kilotons, Hiroshima was 15.
United Nations confirming it was a nuke test.
[QUOTE=Dacheet;39557463]United Nations confirming it was a nuke test.[/QUOTE] Source?
Can someone explain to me why no action is being taken against North Korea?
[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/Reuters/status/301177140911689728[/url] Nothing other than this
[QUOTE=Bradyns;39557383]This is rather scary.. The yield of that nuclear device, would have to be rather large to be detected, let alone measure in at 4.9![/QUOTE] No, not really. A 4.9 earthquake is not a big deal. I've known people to not even notice one happened, if they were driving or even just outside. Indoors, you might feel some shaking, or hear picture frames rattling, but no big deal. And that's for an earthquake, a series of waves. A nuclear detonation would be a single shockwave. I doubt anyone outside the test range noticed it. My estimate was 3-4 kilotons, but some sources now are saying 5 kilotons. That's *nothing* for a nuke. Trinity, the first nuclear bomb ever built, was 20kt. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were a similar size. For comparison with actual weapon warheads, the W80 is America's "small nuke". It's a "dial-a-yield" design, variable from 5kt to 150kt. So this test was smaller than what we use when we pull our punches. The B83, the largest bomb in our arsenal, is 1.2 *megatons*. About three hundred times bigger. And the Russians have (or had - they probably got rid of them) a 20MT warhead. [editline]11th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SnowCanary;39557499]Can someone explain to me why no action is being taken against North Korea?[/QUOTE] China. China is kind of afraid of the big South Korean/United States army camped out south of the border. They've been propping North Korea up as a buffer state, a shield against the US and our "minions", as they see it. Kind of made sense during the Korean War, when they first got involved. Doesn't make as much sense now, and it's costing them enough politically that they're providing less support. Honestly, after this, I would expect them to try to arrange a deal like "reunify Korea as long as the US pulls out".
Wasn't the Tsar Bomba like, 50 to 60 MT? They wanted to make 100 but it would like alter the world or something, haha
[QUOTE=Glitchman;39557592]Wasn't the Tsar Bomba like, 50 to 60 MT? They wanted to make 100 but it would like alter the world or something, haha[/QUOTE] The Tsar Bomb was designed for 100MT, but was crippled for test reasons. Both fallout, and because even at 57MT it caused the aircraft that dropped it to go into freefall for a few thousand feet. They basically crippled the third stage (it's the only three-stage bomb ever made, AFAIK) by replacing much of the uranium with lead. Since uranium/plutonium cause most of the fallout, while deuterium/tritium are clean, that vastly decreased the fallout. Yeah, Russia was crazy.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;39557424]They're saying it was only 5 kilotons, Hiroshima was 15.[/QUOTE] [I]only[/I].. That can still cause a lot of damage.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;39557592]Wasn't the Tsar Bomba like, 50 to 60 MT? They wanted to make 100 but it would like alter the world or something, haha[/QUOTE] 57 megatons. 100 was planned but it would have caused too much radioactive fallout.
Yeah they were afraid it would literally ignite the atmosphere.
[quote]So this test was smaller than what we use when we pull our punches.[/quote] Meehhhh be careful there. Variable yield warheads are an odd bird. The lower the yield, the worse the fallout. So yeah your initial shockwave is significantly smaller, but the reaction is also very incomplete and spreads a significant quantity of long half-life nuclear materials through the region. So you either get long term damage in a smaller area, or short term damage in a much wider area.
Chances are, the NK nuclear laboratory has ended up blowing itself up.
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