• Tyneside male rape charity gets National Lottery grant
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[QUOTE]A support service for victims of male rape has been awarded £204,000 by the Big Lottery Fund. Someone Cares, based in North Shields, offers help to male victims of childhood rape, sexual assault and abuse in its Male Voices Heard project. The service said the number of men seeking help has risen by 200% in a year. The project is one of 53 in the region to receive support from the £2.8m fund. Someone Cares already offers services to male and female victims who have suffered any kind of domestic or sexual abuse. Male Voices Heard was started by the charity when it realised male victims were "drastically underserved", chairman Donna Lowden said. She said the £204,035 from the Big Lottery Fund will allow Someone Cares to "reach out" to more male victims who live in silence or are rejected by female-only services. Ms Lowden said: "It's great that there are services for females, but it's a shame that there is very little for men. "Society tells men to be macho and strong - but they need someone to listen to them too." Other projects to receive grants include The Link (Redcar) CIC, which supports children in addressing anxiety and mental health issues, and Signature, which provides communication support for deaf people in Durham.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-34767790"]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-34767790[/URL] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Ban evasion alt" - OvB))[/highlight]
Well, I can hear the dumblr femenistas screaming about male privilege
[QUOTE=Billy-Bobfred;49102057]Well, I can hear the dumblr femenistas screaming about male privilege[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ that didn't take long at all.
[QUOTE=RaxaHax;49102069]Jesus Christ that didn't take long at all.[/QUOTE] I think its funny there are people like you, who act mortified when people go ahead and state what everyone is thinking. Like a 'they who shall not be named' sort of thing.
[QUOTE=RaxaHax;49102069]Jesus Christ that didn't take long at all.[/QUOTE] considering that battered men's shelters have inspired controversy from feminists, it's totally reasonable that Billy would make that comment
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;49102200]I think its funny there are people like you, who act mortified when people go ahead and state what everyone is thinking. Like a 'they who shall not be named' sort of thing.[/QUOTE] nobody is thinking that because tumblr feminist do not hide the fact men can get raped and they should have support centres/helplines/safespaces you'd have to be pretty out of it to generalise an entire moment thanks to a vocal minority
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49102215]nobody is thinking that because tumblr feminist do not hide the fact men can get raped and they should have support centres/helplines/safespaces you'd have to be pretty out of it to generalise an entire moment thanks to a vocal minority[/QUOTE] Why dont you discipline that minority?
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49102215]nobody is thinking that because tumblr feminist do not hide the fact men can get raped and they should have support centres/helplines/safespaces you'd have to be pretty out of it to generalise an entire moment thanks to a vocal minority[/QUOTE] Do you chant that shit every night before you go to bed? Im only reacting to the feminism that i can see. If you want me to engage with the main body of feminism, make them come out here where we can see them. They really aren't taking any satisfactory measures to distance themselves from these incredibly vocal and hateful people we are talking about. That's what i perceive anyway, dismiss it at your leisure.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;49102291]Do you chant that shit every night before you go to bed? Im only reacting to the feminism that i can see. If you want me to engage with the main body of feminism, make them come out here where we can see them. They really aren't taking any satisfactory measures to distance themselves from these incredibly vocal and hateful people we are talking about. That's what i perceive anyway, dismiss it at your leisure.[/QUOTE] I think you're being pretty reasonable. I call myself a sex-positive feminist, and I think this is fucking amazing. Gender equality is equality regardless of gender, and we've had far too services for male survivors.
[QUOTE=JohhnyCarson;49102272]Why dont you discipline that minority?[/QUOTE] I have, and I have been reaffirmed by my friends within the movement that that's exactly what they're trying to achieve, at least in our area
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;49102200]I think its funny there are people like you, who act mortified when people go ahead and state what everyone is thinking. Like a 'they who shall not be named' sort of thing.[/QUOTE] and i think it's funnier that ranger couldn't wait half a day before continuing to post bait threads
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;49102291]Do you chant that shit every night before you go to bed? Im only reacting to the feminism that i can see. If you want me to engage with the main body of feminism, make them come out here where we can see them. They really aren't taking any satisfactory measures to distance themselves from these incredibly vocal and hateful people we are talking about. That's what i perceive anyway, dismiss it at your leisure.[/QUOTE] The feminist movement is split between factions, that's the problem, there's not really a "main body" Equality is still the core, the factions just have different ways to approach equality. I call myself a feminist but I don't align with a particular part. Of course a discussion is always welcome, I don't mind.
[QUOTE=Cone;49102310]and i think it's funnier that ranger couldn't wait half a day before continuing to post bait threads[/QUOTE] One of these days one of you clucks is going to have to explain the difference between a bait thread and a sort of subversive, ambiguous thread. Maybe ranger planted this thread here knowing we would do the feminism/humanist boogey, and is furiously masturbating as we give him everything he wants, but do you really care? I just like chatting with people with on a forum, i dont really have many friends i can discuss politics and social issues with in a way that isnt just a circlejerk, so i like to jump into these threads every once in a while.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;49102336]One of these days one of you clucks is going to have to explain the difference between a bait thread and a sort of subversive, ambiguous thread. Maybe ranger planted this thread here knowing we would do the feminism/humanist boogey, and is furiously masturbating as we give him everything he wants, but do you really care? I just like chatting with people with on a forum, i dont really have many friends i can discuss politics and social issues with in a way that isnt just a circlejerk, so i like to jump into these threads every once in a while.[/QUOTE] I have the same issue as well. In the bigger picture of things, there isnt much you can do out side of your self. That my conclusion.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49102324]Equality is still the core, the factions just have different ways to approach equality.[/QUOTE] Eeh, thats a point i disagree with. Im sure for the most part people are for equality, but then i have to bring the name into question, and im sure its been discussed to death, but really, why call it feminism when what you want is egalitarianism? It just seems there is a basic disconnect right there at the beginning. Also the radfem people are pretty deeply mired in misandry, i feel like that is very blatantly apparent.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;49102360]Eeh, thats a point i disagree with. Im sure for the most part people are for equality, but then i have to bring the name into question, and im sure its been discussed to death, but really, why call it feminism when what you want is egalitarianism? It just seems there is a basic disconnect right there at the beginning. Also the radfem people are pretty deeply mired in misandry, i feel like that is very blatantly apparent.[/QUOTE] Equality comes from within not without. All the things you (or most of you stand against) are a result of many "wrinkles" within the psyche within everyone of us. Even if you had society just the way you wanted, without that being done, it will still fall to ruins and suffering. What the heck is equality any ways?
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;49102336]One of these days one of you clucks is going to have to explain the difference between a bait thread and a sort of subversive, ambiguous thread.[/QUOTE] probably when you start making up random shit to put in the OP and dramatically change the topic? and get banned for it twice. and then make an alt an hour later to keep doing it.
[QUOTE=Cone;49102394]probably when you start making up random shit to put in the OP and dramatically change the topic? and get banned for it twice. and then make an alt an hour later to keep doing it.[/QUOTE] Yeah, i see your point there then. Didn't know about all that shit. My bad.
[QUOTE=Cone;49102394]probably when you start making up random shit to put in the OP and dramatically change the topic? and get banned for it twice. and then make an alt an hour later to keep doing it.[/QUOTE] link?
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;49102360]Eeh, thats a point i disagree with. Im sure for the most part people are for equality, but then i have to bring the name into question, and im sure its been discussed to death, but really, why call it feminism when what you want is egalitarianism? It just seems there is a basic disconnect right there at the beginning. Also the radfem people are pretty deeply mired in misandry, i feel like that is very blatantly apparent.[/QUOTE] Females still have a lot of social prejudice against them, that's why it's called Feminism, to break down social views. I've seen a tremendous amount of change from the movement, people seem to be respecting women's choices if they want to share their body, slut shaming seems to be decreasing steadily, rape culture is slowly breaking down but it's taking its time and many things. Feminism is equalism because the movement is about aligning men and women on the same playing field, on the side it's also helping break down toxic masculinity, acknowledging men can be victims in rape and domestic violence and trying to break down bias in the court (when it comes to custodianship of the child in divorce cases), albeit a little slow but there's progress I'm trying to bring more recognition to our issues as much as possible, and nobody has a problem that they should be highlighted, but the goal is creating the equal playing field
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49102418]rape culture[/QUOTE] You lost me.
As someone who was a victim of female on male sexual assault, it's nice to see the issue brought more to life. Also it's funny to me that you all think feminism still doesn't care about male issues, but when I was sexually assaulted and at my most vulnerable, I reached out to both men's groups and feminist groups, and the more reasonable, and much more helpful, reaction came from the feminist groups. Like I've said it so many times that I'm getting really sick of it, but feminism actually tackles male issues and takes them seriously. Why on earth would I associate with a movement if they did not take me, what happened to me, and other male-born problems I face seriously? Like obviously what I've said many times is never going to pierce into your brains because you guys still think that feminism = female rights at a cost of male rights, but like use some logic as to why there are a sizeable amount of male feminists.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;49102400]link?[/QUOTE] [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1493056&p=49088755"]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1493056&p=49088755[/URL] "Kinda shameful that this is happening because he's a man." on someone asking how so [QUOTE=Rangergxi;49088755]Poking fun at people like Anita Sarkeesian, Zoe Quinn and certain users on FP that always place internet harassment as a womens issue. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Admitting to baiting" - Craptasket))[/highlight][/QUOTE] so basically trying to drag in and start an argument over an unrelated issue. luckily most people read the link instead of the snippet in the OP. he got permabanned before for doing the same thing with Israel threads and misleading titles over nine times in a row [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1488476&p=49066946&viewfull=1#post49066946"]also[/URL] so that's how i would define baiting
The reason it's still called feminism is because its building off ideals set in place by third wave feminism, while keeping the name as a way of holding some sort of historical legitimacy. You might all think third wave is like most extreme or whatever, but in reality its the first one to take male issues into account. Besides second wave feminism had certain groups in it that were way more extreme than the most crazy tumblr posts, and the scary part was that the people were not just some troll looking for internet points.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;49102427]You lost me.[/QUOTE] yeah you know i thought it was stupid too until i started reading into it and it started making sense coming from an all boys school, rape was basically normalised, I knew people who tried to have sex with people who were asleep and boasted about it, people thought they were awesome, and I couldn't say shit because it was never verified. It's not a stupid concept...
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;49102200]I think its funny there are people like you, who act mortified when people go ahead and state what everyone is thinking. Like a 'they who shall not be named' sort of thing.[/QUOTE] I only said so because I hate to see a good event immediately malform into internet gender war #473
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49102528]yeah you know i thought it was stupid too until i started reading into it and it started making sense coming from an all boys school, rape was basically normalised, I knew people who tried to have sex with people who were asleep and boasted about it, people thought they were awesome, and I couldn't say shit because it was never verified. It's not a stupid concept...[/QUOTE] Rape is illegal in every industrialized western nation, If you tell anyone with public authority you have raped someone you have opened yourself to a criminal investigation. So tell me exactly how our culture encourages rape.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49102418]Females still have a lot of social prejudice against them, that's why it's called Feminism, to break down social views. I've seen a tremendous amount of change from the movement, people seem to be respecting women's choices if they want to share their body, slut shaming seems to be decreasing steadily, rape culture is slowly breaking down but it's taking its time and many things. Feminism is equalism because the movement is about aligning men and women on the same playing field, on the side it's also helping break down toxic masculinity, acknowledging men can be victims in rape and domestic violence and trying to break down bias in the court (when it comes to custodianship of the child in divorce cases), albeit a little slow but there's progress I'm trying to bring more recognition to our issues as much as possible, and nobody has a problem that they should be highlighted, but the goal is creating the equal playing field[/QUOTE] Saying feminism is about equality between men and women, or implying that it's the same as egalitarianism is misleading at best. Te feminist ideology operates on the presumption that women are of lower status/privilege/rights than men, and that equality will start when women reach those same levels. at the same time, men's issues that don't also affect women will largely be ignored due to it being seen as not as important "while women as a whole are not equal". Egalitarianism starts with the presumption that each gender has their advantages over the other, and we should work to bring up men where they lag behind, and bring up women where they lag behind men.
[QUOTE=splenda;49102434]As someone who was a victim of female on male sexual assault, it's nice to see the issue brought more to life. Also it's funny to me that you all think feminism still doesn't care about male issues, but when I was sexually assaulted and at my most vulnerable, I reached out to both men's groups and feminist groups, and the more reasonable, and much more helpful, reaction came from the feminist groups. Like I've said it so many times that I'm getting really sick of it, but feminism actually tackles male issues and takes them seriously. Why on earth would I associate with a movement if they did not take me, what happened to me, and other male-born problems I face seriously? Like obviously what I've said many times is never going to pierce into your brains because you guys still think that feminism = female rights at a cost of male rights, but like use some logic as to why there are a sizeable amount of male feminists.[/QUOTE] Lucky you. This is how progress should be made.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49102528]yeah you know i thought it was stupid too until i started reading into it and it started making sense coming from an all boys school, rape was basically normalised, I knew people who tried to have sex with people who were asleep and boasted about it, people thought they were awesome, and I couldn't say shit because it was never verified. It's not a stupid concept...[/QUOTE] I come from a similar situation, all biological male high school, and the amount of times I heard people say shit like "Yea I got this girl super drunk and then we fucked" and how everyone then high fived him and whatever was very problematic. Rape culture is not some fabrication in order to allow people to be like "this guy looked at me funny and he literally raped me." If you look at when third wave feminism first started, as an example, there were multiple incidents of women being raped at concerts or whatever, and then the media was blaming the women for being at the show, how she was dressing, or just that "boys will be boys." It's been decaying over the past few years, the media has thankfully stopped talking about how the victim was dressed for example, but it still has a way to go before it's fully eradicated. Rape culture also affects males. It's because of rape culture that societally women are seen as the victim and men are seen as the rapist.
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