• iOS reportedly moving towards more modern, 'flat' design under new leadership of Jony Ive
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[img]http://imgkk.com/i/54-q.jpg[/img] [url]http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/21/4132972/jony-ive-reportedly-pushing-flat-design-at-apple[/url] [quote]Late last October, iOS VP Scott Forstall left Apple and Jony Ive assumed the role of human interface manager across the entire company — including iOS, which some feel is in major need of a design refresh. Now, several months after that executive shake-up, The Wall Street Journal is reporting that Apple's software and hardware design teams have indeed gotten closer and are collaborating in ways that mark a pretty major change at a company well-known for having internal secrets. While details about Ive's influence on the next version of iOS are minimal, the WSJ's source does say that he's pushing a more modern, "flat" design (an aesthetic that sounds similar to where Google has moved recently) — but overall, changes will be fairly conservative. That may come as a disappointment hoping for more radical changes, but it seems that Ive and Apple aren't willing to alienate iOS users who have become familiar with the software over the past six years. Despite the lack of major changes so far, the new working arrangement is exactly what CEO Tim Cook had in mind when he dismissed Forstall last year.[/quote]
glad to see we're moving on from ugly glossy bubbly shit
Nice, I feel that with the new design of the iPhone 5 and iPad Mini (all matte materials) the UI sort of lets it down in being pretty much an oxymoron.
I hate flat, it looks painfully old-fashioned. Windows 8, Google, and now this. I actually really liked Aero. What the hell is wrong with shadows and shit like that? I mean, iOS is pretty ugly, so I guess something new won't hurt, but still.
Apple probably makes the best hardware in the industry (haven't tried the HTC One yet, it looks amazing though), but the software is amazingly outdated. Extremely polished, but outdated.
Well Jony Ive has been in charge of hardware design since the first iMac, he's created all the incredibly iconic designs that we've seen from Apple over the past 15 years so it will be very interesting to see what he comes up with for the software
What if all the buttons are just aluminum. Like, they are all square and have nothing on them. Everything is metal.
The design isn't the problem. Well it is, one of many but the major thing is a lack of features. They need to catch up quick.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;39994319]The design isn't the problem. Well it is, one of many but the major thing is a lack of features. They need to catch up quick.[/QUOTE] Such as?
Now it's going to look like Windows 8, and people are going to think it's great because FUCK CONSISTENCY!
My iphone is already really flat though
[QUOTE=PyroCF;39994336]Such as?[/QUOTE] The lack of NFC, the lack of users being able to decide which browser they want to open a URL with, which navigation application they want to open a physical address with, which way they want to use a telephone number, true multitasking, alternative keyboards, customization, widgets, custom ROMs/kernels, native USB support/file management Just to name a few.
I'm getting bored of the flat designs. Eye straining GUIs put me off on a lot of software. At least its experimental.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;39994390]The lack of NFC, the lack of users being able to decide which browser they want to open a URL with, which navigation application they want to open a physical address with, which way they want to use a telephone number, true multitasking, alternative keyboards, customization, widgets, custom ROMs/kernels, native USB support/file management Just to name a few.[/QUOTE] All of which can achieved by jailbreaking (bar NFC). Also ROMs/kernels, please. Why would the average end user care about that? iOS doesn't need custom kernels anyway because everything works fine as is, there's no performance issues. But with the new design I hope he doesn't mean completely flat but just a bit more modern and less skeuomorphism going on.
[QUOTE=PyroCF;39994419]All of which can achieved by jailbreaking (bar NFC). Also ROMs/kernels, please. Why would the average end user care about that? iOS doesn't need custom kernels anyway because everything works fine as is, there's no performance issues. But with the new design I hope he doesn't mean completely flat but just a bit more modern and less skeuomorphism going on.[/QUOTE] Jailbreaking isn't something a regular user can do in most cases, and it voids the device's warranty. It's absolutely unacceptable for them to not provide those features by default.
[QUOTE=Unisath;39994264]I hate flat, it looks painfully old-fashioned. Windows 8, Google, and now this. I actually really liked Aero. What the hell is wrong with shadows and shit like that?[/QUOTE] I agree with this much. Not everything needs to be ~glass, gloss and gradients~, but having it subtle like say, Mac OSX does is really nice. The whole 90 degree corners and standard colours is just boring and uninspired.
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;39994457]Jailbreaking isn't something a regular user can do in most cases, and it voids the device's warranty. It's absolutely unacceptable for them to not provide those features by default.[/QUOTE] So does flashing ROMs and kernels to make Android run better, to get certain features, or to get the latest Android. Jailbreaking involves plugging in your device and clicking a button, I have lots of "normal user" friends that have done it. I don't know anyone who isn't into technology who runs even a rooted Android phone.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;39994390]The lack of NFC, the lack of users being able to decide which browser they want to open a URL with, which navigation application they want to open a physical address with, which way they want to use a telephone number, true multitasking, alternative keyboards, customization, widgets, custom ROMs/kernels, native USB support/file management Just to name a few.[/QUOTE] I'll be the first to say I can't stand iOS, but you're being a bit of a tard on this mate. The first few points (NFC, browser/navigation/telephone # choices) I agree with, but the rest is kind of going into territory that affects people that aren't Apple's target with iOS. The multitasking in iOS is fine, and honestly it works better than Android most of the time, while not sucking as much battery life. Alternative keyboards is kind of silly, I've basically always used stock keyboards on every device I've ever owned, iOS, Android, etc, and I don't know anyone who has ever wished iOS had another keyboard. Customization...eeh, can't say much on this, as its down to preference Widgets..Never use them, myself. I would personally like to see a dashboard like feature in iOS. Don't know about anyone else. Custom ROMs/kernels...No. Not Apple's target audience. Native USB support and file management? Maybe on the iPad it'd be nice. Can't see much use for any other iDevice, though. Those are just my thoughts. Trying not to outright flame you and rate you dumb like I've seen in past threads..
I still think Ubuntu mobile is the nicest looking mobile OS.
I am using a custom UI anyways [t]http://modmyi.com/images/nickhesson/glasklarthd.jpg[/t] I like the flat windows 8 design but what I don't like is that sometimes flat designs are so minimalist that they look lazily done. Like google and windows phone menus lack clear borders and are just text.
Whatever they do - it's time for an iOS major UI update. It's been the same look since 2007.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;39994390]The lack of NFC, the lack of users being able to decide which browser they want to open a URL with, which navigation application they want to open a physical address with, which way they want to use a telephone number, true multitasking, alternative keyboards, customization, widgets, custom ROMs/kernels, native USB support/file management Just to name a few.[/QUOTE] So, pretty much all the things that the average consumer doesn't care about? You aren't going to win this, just stop now. Either way it is going to be interesting to see what they will come up with.
[QUOTE=KmScMT;39994194]glad to see we're moving on from ugly glossy bubbly shit[/QUOTE] And toward mimalistic to the point of obfuscation shit.
Even tho I switched to Android it is nice to hear that they are switching the design now. I couldn't see the glossy stuff anymore and even made my own theme once.
I hope they leave the skeumorphism behind a bit since that's getting old.
Also, Jony Ive looks like Barry Shitpeas.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;39994390]The lack of NFC, the lack of users being able to decide which browser they want to open a URL with, which navigation application they want to open a physical address with, which way they want to use a telephone number, true multitasking, alternative keyboards, customization, widgets, custom ROMs/kernels, native USB support/file management Just to name a few.[/QUOTE] ill hedge my bets that at least 95% of iOS users dont care about most of those features and probably the same percentage of android users dont actually use those features either
[QUOTE=Harry3;39994780]ill hedge my bets that at least 95% of iOS users dont care about most of those features and probably the same percentage of android users dont actually use those features either[/QUOTE] The widgets and customization are 2 of the major selling points for me. On a computer it's obnoxious but on a phone, it's really handle while you're out and about to be able to say, swipe one screen to the right and have a calendar with everything you need to do on it. iOS feels barbarically outdated to me because basically since launch it's just been a long rectangular list of apps and nothing more. Plus, I like being able to choose which apps I use as a browser, or a file system viewer, ftp client, etc. EDIT: oh and the multitasking is awful, the single touch button to scroll through open apps is so much better than the multi-tasking system on iOS
[QUOTE=Daniel M;39994390]The lack of NFC, the lack of users being able to decide which browser they want to open a URL with, which navigation application they want to open a physical address with, which way they want to use a telephone number, true multitasking, alternative keyboards, customization, widgets, custom ROMs/kernels, native USB support/file management Just to name a few.[/QUOTE] Who the hell would care about custom ROMs and kernels, Apple's main appeal is simplicity. If you want that stuff, just get an Android
[QUOTE=Elspin;39994965]The widgets and customization are 2 of the major selling points for me. On a computer it's obnoxious but on a phone, it's really handle while you're out and about to be able to say, swipe one screen to the right and have a calendar with everything you need to do on it. iOS feels barbarically outdated to me because basically since launch it's just been a long rectangular list of apps and nothing more. Plus, I like being able to choose which apps I use as a browser, or a file system viewer, ftp client, etc. EDIT: oh and the multitasking is awful, the single touch button to scroll through open apps is so much better than the multi-tasking system on iOS[/QUOTE] On iOS you just double tap the home button and you get a scrollable list although it's horizontal rather than vertical. If you're going to factor in the different in milliseconds to hit a button twice rather than once, you might as well factor in that an iPhone 5 with the 1.3GHz Swift CPU will pull up that menu some number of milliseconds faster than Android can render it on a Snapdragon S4.
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