• Muslim fanatics who called for execution of gays face up to seven years in jail
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[B]Conviction first of its kind since legislation came into force Guilty verdict welcomed by gay rights campaigners[/B] By KATHERINE FAULKNER Muslim extremists who handed out leaflets calling for homosexuals to be hanged, stoned and burned to death were facing up to seven years in prison last night. The group handed out the material in the street as well as posting it through letterboxes in a hate-filled campaign calling for the execution of gay people who they claimed were at the root of society’s problems. Ihjaz Ali, Kabir Ahmed and Razwan Javed are the first to be prosecuted under new laws against inciting hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation. [img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/20/article-0-11628BA3000005DC-651_634x911.jpg[/img] [B]The pamphlet, called The Death Penalty?, showed an image of a mannequin hanging from a noose and quoted Islamic texts that said capital punishment was the only way to rid society of homosexuality[/B] Yesterday as they were found guilty at Derby Crown Court, residents spoke of how the three fundamentalists wanted to transform their small area of Derby into a ‘medieval state’ under Sharia law. Anyone who dared to question their extreme agenda was branded an ‘M15 agent’ or a ‘sell-out,’ they said. [U]Last night it emerged that:[/U] Muslim fanatic and hate preacher Anjem Choudary was secretly invited by the group’s ringleader, Ihjaz Ali, for a series of meetings in Derby; The group had links with the extremist organisation Al-Muhajiroun, which is banned under UK anti-terror laws; Moderate Muslim leaders who spoke out against the group’s activities were targeted in a hate campaign in which their faces were printed on ‘wanted’ posters; Police had to be called during local elections because the group’ s supporters were standing guard at polling stations, ordering Muslims not to vote. During the trial, the court heard how the group’s activities intimidated residents and left gay people frightened to walk on the streets. The first, entitled ‘Death penalty?’ proclaimed that ‘Allah permits the destruction’ of gay people and that ‘the only question is how it should be carried out’. The second, entitled ‘Turn or Burn’, featured a burning figure in a blazing lake of fire and warned that the decriminalisation of homosexuality was ‘the root of all problems’. A third, entitled ‘GAY - God Abhors You’, warned of ‘severe punishment’ for homosexuals. A fourth leaflet linked to the group, which was never distributed, described homosexuality as a ‘vile, ugly, cancerous disease’. It referred to ‘queer sinners’ and ‘faggots’ and posed the question ‘Gay Today, Paedophile Tomorrow?’ Ali, 42, Ahmed, 28, and Javed, also 28, all of Normanton, Derby were found guilty of distributing threatening written material intending to stir up hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation. They will be sentenced next month. Two others who distributed the leaflets, Mehboob Hussein, 44, and Umar Javed, 38, also of Normanton, were cleared of inciting hatred. The offence was created by an amendment to the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act, brought in March 2010. Stirring up hatred against homosexuals now carries the same penalties as inciting hatred based on race or religion. During the trial, gay residents told of the impact the leaflet campaign had on their lives. They gave their evidence from behind screens because they said they were terrified of the group knowing they were gay. [img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/21/article-2089536-0F845F4B00000578-823_634x380.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/10/article-2084684-0F66F62500000578-272_634x388.jpg[/img] The leaflet was handed out outside and near the Jamia Mosque, pictured, in Derby's Rosehill Street and in streets around the local neighbourhood in July 2010 Ben Summerskill, head of the gay rights group Stonewall, said extreme anti-gay propaganda had become a choice tactic for preachers of hate, who knew that other extremist messages – relating to terror or religious hate – would land them in prison. ‘It’s clear that one form of extremism fosters another,’ he said. ‘It’s no surprise there’s a link between violent and extreme homophobia and religious extremism.’ At his trial, ringleader Ihjaz Ali insisted he was just a ‘hard-working, family man’ with traditional Muslim views. But yesterday a video emerged which shows Ali at a meeting with notorious hate preacher Anjem Choudary. Ali booked the room in a local community centre on ‘several occasions’ for secret meetings with the notorious fanatic. Choudary has frequently praised the terrorists who carried out the 9/11 attacks and called for all gays to be stoned to death. Ali, a taxi driver, had told community centre staff he wanted the room for an ‘Islamic discussion group’. But police were called in when they realised Choudary was attending the meetings. On the video, taken in 2009, bearded Ali can be seen remonstrating with police officers as they order Choudary out, telling him he is ‘not welcome’ in Derby. Holding a letter the police have handed him, Ali can be heard saying: ‘You say to me according to this letter…(that I)… support violent extremism.’ The policeman replies: ‘Of course you do.’ Labour councillor Fareed Hussain said the footage of Ali with Choudary was ‘not surprising.’ He said that Ali was ‘openly associated’ with Al-Muhajiroun – a group headed by Choudary and banned under British law because of its suspected links to international terrorism. Ali, he said, had ‘openly distributed literature’ in the name of Al-Muhajiroun from a stand on the Normanton high street. And he would ‘subject younger Muslims to pressure’ to take part in his fundamentalist campaigns. ‘I think it is extremely likely Ali and his associates are still linked to Al-Muhajiroun,’ the councillor added. ‘I don’t for a minute believe these five who distributed the leaflets were operating in isolation.’ One resident, who did not want to be named for fear of being targeted, said the extremist group led by Ali ‘wanted to turn the clock back to a medieval state’ under Islamic law. Another, Oweyss Lal, 18, a sales consultant, said: ‘They target teenagers who are not very educated. Anyone who speaks out against them is labelled an MI5 agent or a sell-out.’ Mr Hussein said although they ‘did not represent a majority at all,’ Ali and his accomplices were ‘very aggressive, vocal and intimidating’. During local elections in 2006, a group of Muslim men gathered at the polling station in Normanton to intimidate voters. ‘They told people that voting was forbidden by Islam and any government is illegitimate unless it is an Islamic caliphate,’ he said. ‘I had to call the police – they were scaring people.’ Mr Hussein said he was then singled out himself in a frightening poster campaign. In the same week the ‘death penalty’ leaflets were distributed, hundreds of ‘wanted’ posters appeared in Derby accusing Mr Hussein and other Muslim community leaders of ‘selling out’ to a western agenda. ‘The alleged crime was encouraging Muslims to be part of wider society,’ he said. ‘I was shocked – the posters were very intimidating.’ One gay resident summed up the atmosphere in the area. ‘It used to be lovely round here,’ he said. ‘Now, because of these people, you don’t feel safe. I don’t have any problems with Muslims. But these lot need to realise we live in England, not some Islamic state.’ Source:[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2089536/Gay-people-death-penalty-Three-Muslim-men-guilty-stirring-hatred-homophobic-leaflet.html[/url] how do you link videos- I will add the video form the source
Well, seven might be a bit too much.
I have no problem with this.
[QUOTE=Joazzz;34322319]Well, seven might be a bit too much.[/QUOTE] Nah I disagree, there's no place for that bullshit in society anymore, they have to grow up and understand that which hole someones johnson goes into isn't their business. Unless it's their ass or johnson then by all means it's their business.
Good.
Guys like these are practically handing out fodder for Islamaphobes.
I wonder if these people really believe they're doing god's will or they just use religion as an excuse for nothing but control.
How ignorant and disrespectful! They were only expressing their beliefs!
Homophobia has no place in the 21st century, regardless of which nations hold such vile ignorance and hatred in their hearts. They got what they deserved.
[QUOTE=Dr Kevorkian;34322413]I wonder if these people really believe they're doing god's will or they just use religion as an excuse for nothing but control.[/QUOTE] That's what they believe, indeed.
Good, nothing of value will be lost when they're behind bars.
[QUOTE=znk666;34322414]How ignorant and disrespectful! They were only expressing their beliefs![/QUOTE] Religion is no excuse
We let them come to our country; they disgrace our soldiers; they burn our flags; they bring their shit over here and expect us to adapt to their ways. Fuck off.
[QUOTE=Flem;34322592]We let them come to our country; they disgrace our soldiers; they burn our flags; they bring their shit over here and expect us to adapt to their ways. Fuck off.[/QUOTE] Or maybe, just maybe, this is a minor cult/sect that are stupidly outspoken and you are confusing a tiny minority for the majority? Did it ever occur to you that like most people, most muslims actually keep their religion to themselves and everytime they here about shit like this just want to crawl into a hole until it all blows over? I can't imagine it's a fun life for muslims when there's folk like you around.
[QUOTE=Flem;34322592]We let them come to our country; they disgrace our soldiers; they burn our flags; they bring their shit over here and expect us to adapt to their ways. Fuck off.[/QUOTE] Because every Muslim in the UK is part of a single monolithic, hive mind entity and all think the exact same.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;34322640]Or maybe, just maybe, this is a minor cult/sect that are stupidly outspoken and you are confusing a tiny minority for the majority? Did it ever occur to you that like most people, most muslims actually keep their religion to themselves and everytime they here about shit like this just want to crawl into a hole until it all blows over? I can't imagine it's a fun life for muslims when there's folk like you around.[/QUOTE] No I'm not saying they are all like this but these are the ones that give them a bad name and cause the disrespect.
I'm sorry but if they are getting arrested for this then why the hell are the EDL allowed to spread hate of foreigners?
[QUOTE=Flem;34322592]We let them come to our country; they disgrace our soldiers; they burn our flags; they bring their shit over here and expect us to adapt to their ways. Fuck off.[/QUOTE] This is the dumbest shit I've ever read.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34322817]I'm sorry but if they are getting arrested for this then why the hell are the EDL allowed to spread hate of foreigners?[/QUOTE] These guys called for the execution of gays. EDL, as far as I know (and I admittedly know little about the EDL and its actions) have not called for the execution of Muslims.
[QUOTE=the-dutch-guy;34322517]Good, nothing of value will be lost when they're behind bars.[/QUOTE] Your avatar is mesmerizing.
this is what annoys me "They told people that voting was forbidden by Islam and any government is illegitimate unless it is an Islamic caliphate,’ he said. ‘I had to call the police – they were scaring people.’" How on this earth can they even think about stating that a democratic election is forbidden under god, and not to mention voiding the last 1000 years of treaties and Constitutional documents that protects there rights and freedoms and grants them a fair trial. Because I'm sure as hell under there rules nobody would get the treatment there getting now.
This is retarded
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34322817]I'm sorry but if they are getting arrested for this then why the hell are the EDL allowed to spread hate of foreigners?[/QUOTE] I honestly think we should lock up both the EDL / BNP members who spread hate speech, too.
And this is great news.
[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;34322846]These guys called for the execution of gays. EDL, as far as I know (and I admittedly know little about the EDL and its actions) have not called for the execution of Muslims.[/QUOTE] No the EDL just physically assault them instead.
[QUOTE=Flem;34322788]No I'm not saying they are all like this but these are the ones that give them a bad name and cause the disrespect.[/QUOTE] No they're not, it's folk like you who tar everyone with the same brush when really the overwhelming majority just want to keep their head down and get on with their lives instead of having attention drawn to their religion for no reason other than a couple of daft wankers keep shouting shit about Allah.
Derby is actually a really progressive city, we have a humungous lgbt rights parade/ fair ever year which nearly everyone in the town goes to. Theres obviously a few priests running round telling them they're all sinners but people either point and laugh or they just get kicked out by security.
[QUOTE=Joazzz;34322319]Well, seven might be a bit too little.[/QUOTE] Fixed that for you
[QUOTE=Joazzz;34322319]Well, seven might be a bit too much.[/QUOTE] These muslims deserve it. They are extremists.
[QUOTE=Xperia;34323910]These muslims deserve it. They are extremists.[/QUOTE] oh boy here we go. While I agree that they should have been given some form of punishment, I rarely see prison as a suitable sentence. Community service could have been a better choice, especially if they were forced to meet the gay people their campaign affected, even apologise.
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