• Tony Abbott thinking about the prospect of a double dissolution A.K.A ultimate political suicide
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[IMG]http://www.smh.com.au/content/dam/images/1/m/2/e/5/u/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.1m2dvu.png/1426728882968.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]Tony Abbott and some of his cabinet ministers have canvassed the prospect of an early double dissolution election to be held in the next few months. A minister who was present at the discussion over a private dinner on Monday night said that the idea was talked about but "not under serious contemplation". And the Prime Minister told Fairfax Media that "the government intends to serve a full term". But the mere fact that it was mooted has had an unsettling effect inside an anxious government. "The concern is that Tony might consider it to forestall any move against his leadership," said a minister. "Given his increasing desperation, there could be a rush to the Governor-General," with the implication that Mr Abbott would gamble government to preserve his position. The scenario canvassed at dinner was that the government would bring down its second budget in May and then quickly call a double dissolution election, ostensibly to clear an obstructionist Senate. This would be more than a year early. The next federal election isn't due until January 2017 at the latest. Mr Abbott on Tuesday told his party room that the government had been trying to get its budget measures through a "feral Senate". In trying to defeat the spill motion brought against him last month, Mr Abbott asked some of his backbenchers to give him until June. After next week, there are no more opportunities for a spill against the Prime Minister before the budget. Spills can only be brought on during sitting weeks, unless there are extraordinary circumstances, and next week is the last sitting week until budget day, May 12. The topic of an early election arose when the group, hosted at dinner by Mr Abbott, turned to the looming defeat of the government's university deregulation proposal. The Senate voted down the government's reform bill on Tuesday. It is one in a lengthening list of government proposals frustrated in the Senate. Over $25 billion in proposed budget savings have now been defeated or delayed in the Senate. "We would need to be on crack" to go to a double dissolution with the government's current poor standing in the polls, said a cabinet minister. "It would be a suicide pact," said another Liberal.[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/prime-minister-tony-abbott-canvasses-prospect-of-double-dissolution-election-20150319-1m2dvu.html[/URL] [B]FOR NON-AUSTRALIANS[/B]: A double dissolution is when the Prime Minister asks the Governor General to dissolve both houses of parliament and call an election, this has only happened once with the Whitlam government back in the 70's
its not going to happen Why are people retarded enough to think it will They want to hold office as long as they can, and with a prospect of defeat, of course they aren't going to hold one. Yes, the senate may be hostile to them, but they can just win over some senators instead.
I could barely pick up the meaning of this through the article (I know it's drastic and terrible and that's about it) but that sounds hardcore as hell. It sounds like a pay-per-view wrestling event. Don't most countries deal with opposing presidents(/prime-ministers) and senates? I know mine and the US do.
If anyone bothered to watch four corners (and if you haven't, get the fuck on iView) there was a 40 minute episode about how much the Liberals are in absolute turmoil right now Basically Abbott has said fuck you to both South Australia and Western Australia, senators from there are furious at him for focusing on the Eastern states and giving away jobs to foreign companies There's also angerness from the LNP in Queensland because Abbotts dumb decision to knight the Prince most likely caused voter dissatisfaction and a big chunk of Liberal supporters voted for Labor instead Abbott is not liked, he keeps making shit decisions and nobody is buying what he's selling [editline]19th March 2015[/editline] ++ There's great fears that NSW Labor will win the NSW election because Abbott continues to open his mouth
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;47353423]++ There's great fears that NSW Labor will win the NSW election because Abbott continues to open his mouth[/QUOTE] From what I've seen, NSW Labor are still pretty fucked in the coming erection.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;47353437]From what I've seen, NSW Labor are still pretty fucked in the coming erection.[/QUOTE] That's what they said about QLD Labor, nobody expected them to win, everyone expected LNP to win and then.. yeah
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;47353450]That's what they said about QLD Labor, nobody expected them to win, everyone expected LNP to win and then.. yeah[/QUOTE] Nah I'm fairly confident NSW Liberal will win this coming election. Baird is far ahead in the polls against his Labor counterpart, it's nothing like QLD or VIC. No one really knows anything about the Labor leader and all their (Labor's) campaigning has been focused on just attacking the Liberals instead of actually saying what they'd do if elected. Baird also has a spine unlike Abbott. Anyways a double dissolution could work it just depends on timing. If the Liberals maintain control of NSW and provided they release a sensible federal budget this year, they might get ahead just enough in the polls. However I don't see how it would make the Senate situation any better, seeing as it pretty much makes it twice as easy for smaller parties to win seats in the Senate when 12 seats are up for election per state and not 6. [editline]19th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=latin_geek;47353400]I could barely pick up the meaning of this through the article (I know it's drastic and terrible and that's about it) but that sounds hardcore as hell. It sounds like a pay-per-view wrestling event. Don't most countries deal with opposing presidents(/prime-ministers) and senates? I know mine and the US do.[/QUOTE] Government here is formed in the lower house of parliament with MPs taking up cabinet positions, unlike the US and I assume Argentina where an elected President forms government (we don't have anything like an elected President, but we have a mostly ceremonial head of state). Most conflict in federal governance happens because the lower house and upper house are elected in different ways, so that any party which wins a majority of seats in the lower house rarely if ever wins a majority in the upper house, with all bills being required to pass by majority in each house.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;47353450]That's what they said about QLD Labor, nobody expected them to win, everyone expected LNP to win and then.. yeah[/QUOTE] The polls were suggesting the election was quite close in QLD. The opinion polls in NSW aren't anywhere near the same. I think Labor are going to make some ground, but I don't believe they're going to get very far with it. (outsider opinion here)
Maybe he will pull a 3% tax cut for all out of his ass in the next budget, call a double dissolution and then remind people of the tax cut and win. Its not unheard of in Australian politics and the people are stupid enough.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;47353437]From what I've seen, NSW Labor are still pretty fucked in the coming [B]erection[/B].[/QUOTE] :quagmire: As someone who doesn't follow Aus politics, who would be considered a good candidate after Abbot? Is there anyone?
[QUOTE=ferrus;47353880]:quagmire: As someone who doesn't follow Aus politics, who would be considered a good candidate after Abbot? Is there anyone?[/QUOTE] everyone's pretty fucking shit at the moment, but abbot is the shittest of them all, so anyone's really an improvement
Malcolm Turnbull is probably someone I'd say would be the better face of the liberals Most LNP MPs tho favour Julie bishop however but they're both big contenders Hockey has absolutely no fucking chance
I'm sure Tony has had his fun ruining all progress Australia has made over the last few years. Time to start all over again I suppose. Then once Australia is back on its feet again. BOOM! Here come the Liberals who aren't actually liberal to fuck everything up again. It's basically a repeated cycle. Honestly, if you look at a timeline of the Indigenous rights movement. Every time the Liberals came into power things went backwards for the movement. Not that Labor are fantastic either, but they are definitely a lot better than the Liberal party.
[QUOTE=ferrus;47353880]:quagmire: As someone who doesn't follow Aus politics, who would be considered a good candidate after Abbot? Is there anyone?[/QUOTE] A chicken with downs syndrome would be a better prime minister than Tony Abbott
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;47353402]I don't think you understand how much Australia dislikes Abbot. It isn't exactly retarded at all it's an opinion. Sure no one can be the best but Abbot isn't even trying to. A double dissolution actually might happen and the chances are a lot more greater then you'd think. Not trying to say you're wrong but I think you're a bit out of the loop.[/QUOTE] It doesn't mean shit what anyone thinks, apart from the coalition. They bolstered and proved his support and now he has all the support he needs. Yes, it's retarded that people think it's going to happen, the chance is fucking 0. He's going to the next election and losing, that's all that is going to happen. Tbh I think you're not even on the loop, the Coalition wants to stay in as long as they can because it'd be an impending defeat, it's pretty obvious rofl [QUOTE=Darth Ninja;47354106]I'm sure Tony has had his fun ruining all progress Australia has made over the last few years. Time to start all over again I suppose. Then once Australia is back on its feet again. BOOM! Here come the Liberals who aren't actually liberal to fuck everything up again. It's basically a repeated cycle. Honestly, if you look at a timeline of the Indigenous rights movement. Every time the Liberals came into power things went backwards for the movement. Not that Labor are fantastic either, but they are definitely a lot better than the Liberal party.[/QUOTE] Is this a joke, the liberals fucked barely anything up because they backflipped on most of their policies. They did pretty much nothing in their term. Yeah Abbott is a cunt, and the liberal party has some dumb policies but half the shit you're saying is just plain silly.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;47353450]That's what they said about QLD Labor, nobody expected them to win, everyone expected LNP to win and then.. yeah[/QUOTE] Nah it was predicted because of the huge swing to labor
[QUOTE=fruxodaily] [B]FOR NON-AUSTRALIANS[/B]: A double dissolution is when the Prime Minister asks the Governor General to dissolve both houses of parliament and call an election, this has only happened once with the Whitlam government back in the 70's[/QUOTE] where did you get that? It's happened 6 times.
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