[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubMo-aY8ItY[/media]
wrote it a year ago or so, only now was I finally able to record it
I kind of wish I had spent a bit more time on the vocals but I'm still happy with it
The song is good, Very thrashy, I like how it the song slows down at points and the transitions to those parts are good. I think you were trying too hard with the vocals to have the kind of snarl that Mustaine has, when it doesn't really fit your voice IMO. I don't know much about vocals but you should try to find your strong points with your voice or have more intensity with it. I also like the progression in your leads and how it sounds composed and not just like you're trying to play fast in solos like I see in a lot of guitar players
my vocals for thrash music is something I've always had a hard time with. It strains my voice no matter how I approach it so I might just need to experiment more. I tried a more death metal approach on the first take and it just didn't feel natural. I think I just need to shout more than I snarl, like a DRI thing, perhaps.. I'm really not sure. I've only done three thrash songs ever, this being the first in nearly two years, so it's difficult.
The leads (or [i]the[/i] lead) just came from a bit of experimenting. Since the rhythm during the solo is nearly devoid of a tonic (key) it took a lot of work to figure out something that'd work, but I found a tapping pattern that worked and then for the chromatic section I just played equal chromatics in both parallel and conjunctive motion.
Thanks.
I don't know much about theory since I play bass and don't really read up on it so the technical aspect of what you said went over my head but I think I understand it in my own way. It's probably me but yeah I think more shouting would be better but it might be my personal opinion. Most of the bands in my area that do thrash have figured out that harsh vocals work better, especially if you have no experience doing vocals
What I'd do is keep your singing method the same, but go for a deep voice instead of a high one, except for when you hit the high notes.
I have a kinda high voice so that's just how it is, but I'll try that as well perhaps.
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[QUOTE=phobia-_-;31221421]I don't know much about theory since I play bass and don't really read up on it so the technical aspect of what you said went over my head but I think I understand it in my own way. It's probably me but yeah I think more shouting would be better but it might be my personal opinion. Most of the bands in my area that do thrash have figured out that harsh vocals work better, especially if you have no experience doing vocals[/QUOTE]
I mean shouting as opposed to just making my voice sound real harsh and gravely.
something like this perhaps
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD3NzqKzfK4[/media]
I honestly don't know though. I got keep trying different things.
The technical things I was talking about was just making the solo go "up" the scale while at the same time going down, as the rhythm guitar goes up the chromatic scale.
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Just singing very loud as opposed to trying to sound like Kreator or something is what I mean
I think your voice needs a certain level of roughness to pull that off properly. Perhaps you could try to sing really high like Rob Halford or King Diamond? Or you could try imitating Sean Harris/Robert Plant, I always thought that classic vocals and modern music would go good together.
Falsetto doesn't really work with chromatic thrash. I would if it made sense.
I appreciate the advice regardless, though I can't draw any sort of conclusions. I'll keep playing around with different styles. I'm pretty sure whatever I end up doing won't make anyone happy just by the nature of the fact I don't have a very good singing voice but it's fun to play around with it anyway.
I am absolutely in love with that crazy guitar sounding bit in the beginning, how on earth did you get it to sound like that?
It's the line 6 "fuzz pi" pedal with the tone, drive, and gained turned all the way up through a class a-30 top boost with gain volume and presence all the way up with medium hall reverb. It's amazing what you can get out of old fuzz pedals by pushing them to the limit, As for what I'm actually playing, it's a real old technique I really love, bending a full step below the note you're playing on the high e and bending to reach the same pitch (so I'm playing b on the b string and c# on the high e), but just being slightly off. When you do that with this tone it makes quite the noise.
jack white uses the same tone a lot in his solos
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just putting your palm on the bridge sounds like a mech walking
[editline]20th July 2011[/editline]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNuw3X_nvpA[/media]
That's so amazing, unfortunately my amp doesn't have a fuzz effect, nor do I have a pedal, so I guess I'll have to wait until I come across the money for one, but thank you :D I'm sure I'll have a lot of fun with that.
Your voice would be nice for a punk song, too. This was pretty cool although not a genre I really listen to. I still listened to the whole thing because I really like your vocals, I don't believe it's typical to that style of music but that's probably why I liked it!
Your voice doesnt really work too well imo. It's okay though.
The drums are a bit trebly, don't know if it's the recording or what. I like the composition a lot, it's nice and very varying. The guitar parts are well played and nice.
The whole thing is kinda of lacking in bass.
I didn't spend much time mixing the bass. gonna try improving that.
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[QUOTE=chaz13;31226123]Your voice would be nice for a punk song, too. This was pretty cool although not a genre I really listen to. I still listened to the whole thing because I really like your vocals, I don't believe it's typical to that style of music but that's probably why I liked it![/QUOTE]
well I made a whole album, half of it is punk. I don't do the snarl type thing I do in this song though.
[url]http://vedicardi.bandcamp.com/[/url]
first four songs
I like this. Not much to complain about as far as riffs or the actual composition goes. Your voice isn't bad. You could've gotten it better if you spent more time on it, like you said. Perhaps try some growls? I have no idea.
Mix-wise, the drums are kind of lacking in the "intensity" I enjoy in metal. Not quite enough bass or meat. The vocals seem sort of outside the mix if that makes sense, but that's probably due to the microphone, not your mixing skills (and believe me, I have the exact same problems with vocals).
Overall though, good job.
I don't think I can do much more with the drums, but I'm going back to adjust the bass I think. I tried to get the vocals a bit "outside" the mix so that they'd be audible and understandable without being roaring loud and while stepping around the weird audio limitations presented with the mic I have
As far as the vocals, it reminds me of Judas Priest but seems very forced and out of place.
Have you tried writing songs around the vocal melody instead of the other way around? People think you can take any thrash riff and throw vocals on it, but it really doesn't work like that.
The song was originally that way but I altered and slowed down the chorus so I might do that in the future. For pretty much all of my songs I make up the vocals after I make up the instrumental parts, they are actually all improv lol.
It sounds kinda forced because for whatever reason I was holding back.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;31240890]I don't think I can do much more with the drums, but I'm going back to adjust the bass I think. I tried to get the vocals a bit "outside" the mix so that they'd be audible and understandable without being roaring loud and while stepping around the weird audio limitations presented with the mic I have[/QUOTE]
Yeah drums are a bitch to get right. And that makes sense about the vocals, some mics are just fucking weird.
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