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[quote=Associated Press/Washington Post]Signaling new movement in “fiscal cliff” talks, House Speaker John Boehner has proposed raising the top rate for earners making more than $1 million, a person familiar with the negotiations said. President Barack Obama, who wants higher top rates for households earning more than $250,000, has not accepted the offer, this person said.
The proposal, however, indicated progress in talks that had appeared stalled. The person would only discuss the plan on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the negotiations.
As part of a broader budget deal, Boehner is still seeking more spending cuts than Obama has proposed, particularly in mandatory health care spending. Boehner has asked for a long-term increase in eligibility age for Medicare and for lower costs-of-living adjustments for Social Security.
Boehner’s tax proposal was first reported by Politico.
A Boehner aide would not comment on the report.
At issue are expiring tax rates that would automatically increase on Jan. 1 for virtually every income tax payer if Congress and the president don’t act. Steep budget cuts are also scheduled to kick in, unless Congress and Obama agree to forestall them with other deficit reduction measures.
Obama has insisted on extending current rates for the 98 percent of taxpayers in household that earn less than $250,000. He would let the top two marginal rates increase from 33 percent to 35 percent and from 36 percent to 39.6 percent for those taxpayers making over that threshold.
Until now, Boehner had maintained his opposition to raising any rates. Instead, he had proposed to raise up to $800 billion in tax revenue over 10 years by limiting tax loopholes and deductions as part of a broad tax overhaul.
But the speaker and House Republicans have come under increasing pressure form a number of Senate Republicans who say they should yield to Obama’s demand on tax rates and then press him for additional cuts early next year in exchange for an increase in the nation’s borrowing limit.
Obama has proposed about $600 billion in spending reductions over 10 years, including about $350 billion in Medicare and other health care savings. But he has also proposed about $200 billion in additional spending, including aid to the unemployed and to struggling homeowners and for public works projects.[/quote]
WIN! :dance:
Hah, this is great. And maybe seeing how well things have been going for him since he has gotten his back up and refused to relent will inspire Obama to be more pressing on issues further down the line. Who knows, with how beaten they've been since the election, this could be what breaks the back of the GOP.
Fucking finally.
Oh, sure, you're celebrating now, but wait until all of the job creators leave the country and Obama takes over as dictator and instates communism and slaughters all of the eagles in the country and takes your guns away.
Boehner went flaccid.
Once you go black.....
[QUOTE=Reds;38851513]takes your guns away.[/QUOTE]
I would be OK with this, if weapons for the Police & similar and [B]LEGITIMATE[/B] hunting rifles & shotguns were excepted.
[QUOTE=Reds;38851513]Oh, sure, you're celebrating now, but wait until all of the job creators leave the country and Obama takes over as dictator and instates communism and slaughters all of the eagles in the country and takes your guns away.[/QUOTE]
Well, that escalated quickly.. :v:
Why don't we combine both plans from the GOP and dems? While it would be good to tax the rich equally why don't we also close tax loopholes too? It doesn't make much sense to me really.
[QUOTE=Van-man;38851517]Boehner went flaccid.
Once you go black.....
I would be OK with this, if weapons for the Police & similar and [B]LEGITIMATE[/B] hunting rifles & shotguns were excepted.[/QUOTE]
The 2nd amendment isn't for protecting our right to hunt...
[QUOTE=toaster_2.0;38851672]Why don't we combine both plans from the GOP and dems? While it would be good to tax the rich equally why don't we also close tax loopholes too? It doesn't make much sense to me really.[/QUOTE]
As I understand it the GOP's 'tax loopholes' are always unspecified. They say 'we'll raise $800 billion by closing tax loopholes' and if you ask them which loopholes they go uhhhhhh yeah $800 billion
Title should have been, "Boehner becomes flaccid, agrees to millionaire tax hike."
the question is will obama say yes or will he want 250k and above because when you think about that, there is a good chunk of people who would not be hit by the tax increase
[QUOTE=Ltp0wer;38851702]The 2nd amendment isn't for protecting our right to hunt...[/QUOTE]
The 2nd amendment is from a time where there was no national law enforcement set-up.
There is now.
And if you're gonna cry [I]SELF DEFENCE!![/I] then there's better alternatives nowadays like tazers and pepper-spray / bear-mace.
The rich deserve to be taxed at a higher rate, its kind of sad how the only reason this isn't going easy is because the people who sit on the political chair get paid loads of money.
The rich need to be taxed and corruption(monetary lobbyism aka bribe to support) needs to be made illegal.
At last, shit's gonna get done in congress for once. Merry Xmas everyone! :dance:
[QUOTE=Van-man;38851851]The 2nd amendment is from a time where there was no national law enforcement set-up.
There is now.[/QUOTE]
Also from a time when militias were more important to national defense than a standing army was, and every able-bodied man between 18 and 45 was supposed to be enrolled in one belonging to their respective state.
Didn't take long for us to figure out that the militia system was a bad idea.
[QUOTE=Van-man;38851851]The 2nd amendment is from a time where there was no national law enforcement set-up.
There is now.
And if you're gonna cry [I]SELF DEFENCE!![/I] then there's better alternatives nowadays like tazers and pepper-spray / bear-mace.[/QUOTE]
Except that's not why the 2nd Amendment was added either.
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;38851910]Also from a time when militias were more important to national defense than a standing army was, and every able-bodied man between 18 and 45 was supposed to be enrolled in one belonging to their respective state.
Didn't take long for us to figure out that the militia system was a bad idea.[/QUOTE]
What? We found out that militias were a bad idea? We still have state militias, the national guard. And the traditional militia form wasn't undone until the late 18th/early 20th century.
[QUOTE=Van-man;38851851]The 2nd amendment is from a time where there was no national law enforcement set-up.
There is now.
And if you're gonna cry [I]SELF DEFENCE!![/I] then there's better alternatives nowadays like tazers and pepper-spray / bear-mace.[/QUOTE]
Only government can be trusted with guns, right?
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;38852290]Only government can be trusted with guns, right?[/QUOTE]
the citizens sure as hell can't be
[QUOTE=Ponder;38852311]the citizens sure as hell can't be[/QUOTE]
Well it'd either have to adopt the Swiss model [B]AND[/B] a extensive overhaul of the Mental Health System, or just leave it to those who's having regular extensive training and check-up's
No fuck this is terrible. This fiscal cliff needs to happen.
"Obama [...] has not accepted the offer"
yessss my vote was worthwhile.
and now his own party is going to eat him alive-or filibuster itself again.
It is good that the Republican knows its place in the greater scheme of things; in submission to the Democrat.
[QUOTE=Van-man;38851851]And if you're gonna cry [I]SELF DEFENCE!![/I] then there's better alternatives nowadays like tazers and pepper-spray/bear-mace.[/QUOTE]
Y'know, we've invented the microwave pain ray, and it's mostly harmless, so why not consider developing handheld pain rays as a cheap affordable nonlethal alternative to projectile weaponry? It'd make home defence and national security a lot less lethal and, if combined with a triggered laser pointer, would look much much cooler, even if the latter addon poses an optical hazard.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;38852170]What? We found out that militias were a bad idea? We still have state militias, the national guard. And the traditional militia form wasn't undone until the late 18th/early 20th century.[/QUOTE]
then join the national guard and leave your gun there
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Y'know, we've invented the microwave pain ray, and it's mostly harmless, so why not consider developing handheld pain rays as a cheap affordable nonlethal alternative to projectile weaponry? It'd make home defence and national security a lot less lethal and, if combined with a triggered laser pointer, would look much much cooler, even if the latter addon poses an optical hazard.[/QUOTE]
Well it's quite obvious that hand-held & powerful projectile based weapons should stay at shooting ranges, unless they're being used for hunting, or by law enforcement / military.
More development is required on the [I]less-than-lethal[/I] and [I]non-lethal[/I] front.
I'd be quite happy with a weapon that knocked somebody unconscious/something else without killing them as a means of self defense.
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But seriously, about goddamn time
[QUOTE=Van-man;38852630]Well it's quite obvious that hand-held & powerful projectile based weapons should stay at shooting ranges, unless they're being used for hunting, or by law enforcement/military.
More development is required on the [I]less-than-lethal[/I] and [I]non-lethal[/I] front.[/QUOTE]
Aye, that's what I'm suggesting; developing handheld pain-rays for military and domestic markets would certainly be a step forward for nonlethal weaponry. However, there's a concern that's been on my mind regarding microwave plasma; you know how if you put a small fire in a microwave like a burning toothpick, it produces shimmering plasma? Well, if you have a concentrated beam of microwave energy passing through a source of fire, like a hydrogen blowtorch, or an arc of electricity, like a taser, it seems like it would project a short-range stream of plasma.
That's the theory, at least; if pain-rays become a thing in the future, and an FPer gets a license for one, they should test out this theory. If I'm correct in my speculation, and it does indeed produce a focused short-range plasma stream, that would mean it would be possible to use a pain-ray as a component for a civilian plasma weapon. I'm certain that being attacked with a plasma-thrower would be somewhat lethal, since it's fuckin' fire plus energy, not to mention if someone designed a "gun barrel" that could focus the stream and delay the plasma blooming, it would in theory increase the range of the plasma-thrower, essentially turning it into a plasma gun of sorts.
Whilst plasma weapons would sound awesome in concept, since you're shooting energized fire instead of boring old bullets, it'd unlock a new realm of weaponized nightmares; plasma weapons wouldn't really have penetration power so to speak, so you probably wouldn't die as quickly from being shot with a plasma pistol or plasma rifle, but the sheer heat and bright light would prove to be a fire hazard and possibly an optical hazard too. Remember the hoo-hah in Vietnam, with flamethrowers and napalm? Yeah. Getting shot with a plasma weapon would BURN; metal plating would get pretty hot, skin and flesh would get burned, and clothing could potentially catch fire.
This is probably a concern that is about 20 years ahead of its time, since Active Denial System, the first instance of microwave pain-rays in the public eye, was only demonstrated in 2007, and we have yet to see civilian pain-rays, but it still seems kind of valid, seeing as a tinker like the one guy who invented a wrist-mounted flamethrower (he's somewhere on Youtube), could potentially use the nonlethal microwave beam to develop a weapon that would set the battlefield ablaze with controversial fiery death, even though plasma weapons still sound awesome.
Regardless, my fears could be somewhat unfounded, and if bringing pain-rays to the domestic market means we can avoid too many gun-based fatalities, it is something that should be developed, even if it could be a prerequisite for an exotic and horrific new form of lethal weaponry.
[QUOTE=toaster_2.0;38851672]Why don't we combine both plans from the GOP and dems? While it would be good to tax the rich equally why don't we also close tax loopholes too? It doesn't make much sense to me really.[/QUOTE]
Everything that isn't military has been cut like fuck. Republicans just market their spending cut proposals that hurt middle and lower classes and minorities as "responsible budget cuts" they aren't
GJ turning a thread about taxes and shit into a gun debate over a joke comment someone made
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