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Medical students have reportedly been performing intrusive examinations - some without consent - on patients while they're under anaesthetic / AP
Source: [url]http://www.news.com.au/national/medical-students-are-performing-intrusive-exams-on-unconscious-patients/story-e6frfkw0-1225996222221[/url]
[release]* "Examinations performed without consent"
* Students face ethical dilemma - study
* "Most people would not be pleased"
AUSTRALIAN medical students are carrying out intrusive procedures on unconscious and anaesthetised patients without gaining the patient's consent.
The unauthorised examinations include genital, rectal and breast exams, and raise serious questions about the ethics of up-and-coming doctors, Madison reports.
The research, soon to be published in international medical journal, Medical Education, describes - among others - [b]a student with "no qualms" about performing an anal examination on a female patient because she didn't think the woman's consent was relevant.[/b]
Another case outlined in the research describes a man who was subjected to rectal examinations from a "queue" of medical students after he was anaesthetised for surgery.
“I was in theatre, the patient was under a spinal (anaesthetic) as well and there was a screen up and they just had a queue of medical students doing a rectal examination,” a student confessed.
“[H]e wasn’t consented but because ... you’re in that situation, you don’t have the confidence to say 'no' you just do it.”
The author of the study, Professor Charlotte Rees, voiced concerns about senior medical staff ordering students to perform unauthorised procedures, leaving the students torn between the strong ethics of consent in society and the weak ethics of medical staff.
Of students who were put in this position during the research, 82 per cent obeyed orders.
“We think that it is weakness in the ethical climate of the clinical workplace that ultimately serves to legitimise and reinforce unethical practices in the context of students learning intimate examinations,” writes Prof Rees.
The study consists of 200 students across three unnamed medical schools in Britain and Australia. Not all participants agreed to carry out the intimate examinations without permission from the patient.
One student refused to take part in an examination of a woman who was “part spread-eagled on the bed and the nurse is (sic) pulling down her jeans at the same time and it was all very complicated and you could see her, she was about seventeen”.
Carol Bennett, the CEO of the Consumer Health Forum, said the report was a "poor reflection on these medical schools that they are setting these examples".
"Most people would not be pleased about having medical procedures performed on them without it even being mentioned to them," she told news.com.au.
"Patients should never be examined without consent, particularly by a third party."
Comment is being sought from the Australian Medical Association.[/release]
Christ, they're not even obtaining consent anymore? They may need to learn, but learn on someone who says "Sure, why the fuck not"
Woah, this is really bad.
I wonder when people will start suing over this.
Though I really don't understand how most of the students could go through with it. Sure it makes your chances of staying at the hospital higher, but is it really worth it to throw away strong ethics?
I had students poking around in my leg when they operated on it to put a plate in after I broke it, one of them touched something they shouldn't, messed around with it, and I now have a screw in my right femur permanently, as in the entire thing is inside the bone.
This shit is crazy and needs to be fixed
What the fuck?
Did you sue?
[QUOTE=Atokniro;27708221]I had students poking around in my leg when they operated on it to put a plate in after I broke it, one of them touched something they shouldn't, messed around with it, and I now have a screw in my right femur permanently, as in the entire thing is inside the bone.
This shit is crazy and needs to be fixed[/QUOTE]
Jesus christ, Noth is right, you need to sue those fuckers.
Even if you have no money, plenty of firms will take your case in exchange for a % of the payout.
Goddamn strange. Those people must no morals.
Today students, we're going to take a trip to The Board of Ethics!
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;27709262]Today students, we're going to take a trip to The Board of Ethics![/QUOTE]
But firstly we must detour down the rectum of this unconscious woman.
Hot
Okay, the supervisors and the students who don't even hesitate to object to this are complete assholes.
I'm not even trying to make a pun here.
They are assholes.
My mum was given medicine that she is allergic to mid operation by an un qualified surgeon once and had to be resuscitated. I wish hospitals would shape up a bit more with their students - my sister quit her nursing degree as the hospital she was at they'd leave student nurses to handle patients alone with not enough mentors or knowledge and she was afraid she'd harm someone. :smith:
[QUOTE=Atokniro;27708221]I had students poking around in my leg when they operated on it to put a plate in after I broke it, one of them touched something they shouldn't, messed around with it, and I now have a screw in my right femur permanently, as in the entire thing is inside the bone.
[/QUOTE]That's awful, so sorry to hear that happened to you. :h:
[quote]Of students who were put in this position during the research, [B]82 per cent obeyed orders.[/B]
“We think that it is [B]weakness in the ethical climate[/B] of the clinical workplace that ultimately serves to legitimise and reinforce unethical practices in the context of students learning intimate examinations,” writes Prof Rees.[/quote]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment]No, it's because of the basic[/url] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment]weaknesses of human nature.[/url]
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;27711771][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment]No, it's because of the basic[/url] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment]weaknesses of human nature.[/url][/QUOTE]
Medical professionals should be held to a higher standard than the average prison guard.
[QUOTE=Contag;27711874]Medical professionals should be held to a higher standard than the average prison guard.[/QUOTE]
they weren't prison guards
they were just average joes recruited off the street with the promise of easy money
If this is legal someone in the law department deserves a big slap in the face.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;27713064]they weren't prison guards
they were just average joes recruited off the street with the promise of easy money[/QUOTE]
I know, I meant 'average person with prison guard mentality'.
Prisoners are generally treated as second rate citizens, whose rights are less (or nonexistent) compared to normal people. Those who need hospital treatment are from the entire social spectrum.
[quote]One student refused to take part in an examination of a woman who was “part spread-eagled on the bed and the nurse is (sic) pulling down her jeans at the same time and it was all very complicated and you could see her, she was about seventeen”.[/quote]
Jackpot.
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