• Revisiting Deus Ex, Ion Storm’s classic cyberpunk RPG
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deus ex ages like a wine
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;51679916]deus ex ages like a wine[/QUOTE] Ehh, it's a bit clunky here & there, and some of the voice acting could have a little more emotion (a tiny bit more), but it's still groundbreaking for its time and also still worthy a playthrough once in a while. But yes, games more popular back then have aged worse in comparison.
I had a very hard time getting into it because of the gameplay, I highly suggest to anyone who wants to play to use the cheats and max out all the skills. I also suggest running these console commands. allskills set DeusEx.JCDentonMale Jumpz 600 set DeusEx.JCDentonMale Aircontrol 1 set DeusEx.JCDentonMale Groundspeed 1000 or 600 [url]http://deusex.wikia.com/wiki/Deus_Ex_console_commands[/url] I think the graphics are fine, you get used to them, my biggest issue with the game has to do with the overly repeating levels, how the game handles emails when you hack into computers and a whole bunch of other stuff, also the music often loops horrendously, I think Deus Ex is a mediocre game overall but I did feel a bit more paranoid after going through it, and I liked how the game doesn't judge or punish you if you decide to kill anyone. Overall though if you had a hard time getting into it but still want to see what the game is about I highly suggest cheating, use the allskills console command to make the combat fun, if things get tedious spawn multitools and lockpicks and pretend that you unlocked them once, replenish your own ammo if you feel like it, it removes some of the tedious inventory management, seeing as you often pickup other items when you search through a body and its really annoying when you get an extra knife for the 20th time. :v: (I also replenished my health after each combat encounter, sorry I really just didn't feel like screwing around with medkits all the time, also I really wish I could just pick up ammo by walking over it instead of looting every body.) Binge play it in a whole day, otherwise expect to just leave the game waiting at one point forever and never finishing it, I kept postponing it and I just decided to go through it all at once. I think Deus Ex has plenty of interesting ideas and I honestly liked it more than Deus Ex Human Revolution, the gunplay can be surprisingly fun if you take the stealth pistol and go for headshots only after maxing out all your skills, I felt like a badass, murdering civilians with explosives was also really fun. The whole game is a bit of a sandbox either way, so don't be afraid to mess up, freely ignore the alarms as it doesn't matter if you get spotted or if you sound an alarm. Also don't worry if people die. Cheating honestly opened the game up for me and it was the only way for me to get some enjoyement out of it, the game is very long and I honestly just had way more fun playing through the game this way. I might even replay it one day. You will honestly appreciate it more if you play it in a day, this is really not the type of game you can just pick up and play after six months, you are not going to have a good time after all that time has passed. Either way make your own fun and approach the game as you wish, don't want to read anything? Don't, just shoot everyone in their face, who knows, maybe something interesting might happen. :v:
half the fun of deus ex is figuring out how to continue with the situation you're in and managing your resources, you aren't supposed to be able to do everything in one playthrough. [editline]16th January 2017[/editline] i've been playing through it again recently and it has held my attention better than most other games have
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51680444]half the fun of deus ex is figuring out how to continue with the situation you're in and managing your resources, you aren't supposed to be able to do everything in one playthrough. [editline]16th January 2017[/editline] i've been playing through it again recently and it has held my attention better than most other games have[/QUOTE] I don't know, my point was that if you didn't enjoy the vanilla experience then there are alternatives, if you can't have fun with the game then make your own fun. :v:
[QUOTE=RaTcHeT302;51680473]I don't know, my point was that if you didn't enjoy the vanilla experience then there are alternatives, if you can't have fun with the game then make your own fun. :v:[/QUOTE] that's true and your opinion, though i would recommend giving it a playthrough with a mod like [URL="http://www.moddb.com/mods/gmdx"]GMDX[/URL] before going through on a cheat run.
[QUOTE=RaTcHeT302;51680207] [B]Cheating honestly opened the game up for me and it was the only way for me to get some enjoyement[/B] out of it, the game is very long and I honestly just had way more fun playing through the game this way. I might even replay it one day.[/QUOTE] Quite literally the biggest sign that this game is not for you. Better advice: Power through to Hong Kong even if you aren't fully sold on it. HK onwards is the bulk of the game and where just about everyone I know has learned to love it. Don't let the first level (Liberty Island) fool you. Despite its size it's actually the most barren level in the game and only has a few objectives so there's not much to be missed. If you actually take the time to learn the mechanics, limitations and where you strengths lay in combat, stealth and social situations you unlock nearly endless potential. Almost half the fun of this game is seeing the world and the characters react to you and in turn how you can react to them.
[QUOTE=spekter;51680534]Quite literally the biggest sign that this game is not for you. Better advice: Power through to Hong Kong even if you aren't fully sold on it. HK onwards is the bulk of the game and where just about everyone I know has learned to love it. Don't let the first level (Liberty Island) fool you. Despite its size it's actually the most barren level in the game and only has a few objectives so there's not much to be missed. If you actually take the time to learn the mechanics, limitations and where you strengths lay in combat, stealth and social situations you unlock nearly endless potential. Almost half the fun of this game is seeing the world and the characters react to you and in turn how you can react to them.[/QUOTE] I don't understand, I did play through the whole game and I enjoyed it my way, I really don't see why you guys want me to play in a way I wouldn't otherwise enjoy, I liked the game and I even said that in the post, I picked the [sp]Denton ending where you merge with the AI[/sp] I didn't like the gameplay but I enjoyed the ideas behind the story, the game still managed to intrigue me in the end and I even said that I want to replay it (through the whole thing again, a new game, as I already finished it, maybe my post was unclear).
A side note for anybody here considering replaying: [url]http://thenamelessmod.com/editors_choice/[/url] Play this. Trust me. [editline]16th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=RaTcHeT302;51680548]I don't understand, I did play through the whole game and I enjoyed it my way, I really don't see why you guys want me to play in a way I wouldn't otherwise enjoy, I liked the game and I even said that in the post, I picked the [sp]Denton ending where you merge with the AI[/sp] I didn't like the gameplay but I enjoyed the ideas behind the story, the game still managed to intrigue me in the end and I even said that I want to replay it (through the whole thing again, a new game, as I already finished it, maybe my post was unclear).[/QUOTE] It's kinda like saying the best way to beat Doom if you don't like Doom is by typing IDKFA and IDDQD. Sure I guess you can play the game however you want, but people are gonna look at you funny and you shouldn't really be surprised.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51680553]A side note for anybody here considering replaying: [url]http://thenamelessmod.com/editors_choice/[/url] Play this. Trust me.[/QUOTE] if we're going for deus ex TCs then i recommend this short and sweet one [url]http://www.moddb.com/mods/burden-of-80-proof[/url]
[QUOTE=RaTcHeT302;51680548]I don't understand, I did play through the whole game and I enjoyed it my way, I really don't see why you guys want me to play in a way I wouldn't otherwise enjoy, I liked the game and I even said that in the post, I picked the [sp]Denton ending where you merge with the AI[/sp] I didn't like the gameplay but I enjoyed the ideas behind the story, the game still managed to intrigue me in the end and I even said that I want to replay it (through the whole thing again, a new game, as I already finished it, maybe my post was unclear).[/QUOTE] You're using cheats therefore you aren't really playing the game at all. You're removing any semblance of challenge and thus removing gameplay from the equation in which case you may as well have just watched a playthrough or read the wikia for the game. Your post can be boiled down to "I found it too hard but the story is good" For people wanting to revisit the game I'd suggest GMDX [url]http://genericname112.wixsite.com/gmdx[/url] It's still in development so be sure to check what is actually included in 0.8 as a lot of the media on the MODDB and the site currently revolves around the unreleased 0.9 version.
Oh man, I remember this game. When I first played it, I somehow didn't notice that the passwords and keypad codes were logged in the F4 (?) menu, so I had this notebook where I wrote down the access data I learned from notes/conversations/etc. In the end, I felt really stupid when I figured out that I didn't have to.
[QUOTE=spekter;51680694]You're using cheats therefore you aren't really playing the game at all. You're removing any semblance of challenge and thus removing gameplay from the equation in which case you may as well have just watched a playthrough or read the wikia for the game.[/QUOTE] What the fuck are you talking about, that makes zero sense. Taking challenge out of something doesn't somehow instantly make it not count as gameplay, you're still controlling your character and you're still doing things to make progress, that's still gameplay. Challenge is a part of what makes up gameplay but it's far from being the only thing that does.
[QUOTE=simkas;51681057]What the fuck are you talking about, that makes zero sense. Taking challenge out of something doesn't somehow instantly make it not count as gameplay, you're still controlling your character and you're still doing things to make progress, that's still gameplay. Challenge is a part of what makes up gameplay but it's far from being the only thing that does.[/QUOTE] Using the allskills cheat (as Ratchet mentioned above) cuts out a good deal of the RPG mechanics. The game never intended for you to have Master rank in every skill. You had a limited amount of skill points to spend across several skills. The choices you made changed how you approached combat (weapon skills) and level progression (lockpicking, electronics and computers). Thereby giving you a limited (by your skills) but stylized game experience. Have you not actually played Deus Ex?
[QUOTE=Worstcase;51681086]Using the allskills cheat (as Ratchet mentioned above) cuts out a good deal of the RPG mechanics. The game never intended for you to have Master rank in every skill. You had a limited amount of skill points to spend across several skills. The choices you made changed how you approached combat (weapon skills) and level progression (lockpicking, electronics and computers). Have you not actually played Deus Ex?[/QUOTE] I haven't, I found it way too clunky to play but that doesn't matter. Taking challenge out of a game doesn't somehow invalidate you playing it. Yeah, it leads to you missing out on a lot of things that the developers put in place for you but you're still getting the experience of playing the game and interacting with the most basic gameplay elements. You're still moving through the levels, you're still talking to people, you're still solving problems, you're still using stealth, you're still shooting enemies.
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;51679916]deus ex ages like a wine[/QUOTE] Eeeeeh, I wouldn't say that unless you've already got the nostalgia from earlier play sessions back when it was newer. It's still a fantastic game, but it's a little rough around the edges these days. For example: some of the skills are actually fucking worthless, the aiming is still really odd, and there's that bar where you can hear a bunch of people talking but really there's only like 4 npcs inside which probably does more to kill my immersion rather than expand it.
I feel like if you're so uninterested in the gameplay that you need to cheat to get it out of the way in order to enjoy the game you should just watch a let's play.
[QUOTE=simkas;51681099]I haven't, I found it way too clunky to play but that doesn't matter. Taking challenge out of a game doesn't somehow invalidate you playing it. Yeah, it leads to you missing out on a lot of things that the developers put in place for you but you're still getting the experience of playing the game and interacting with the most basic gameplay elements. You're still moving through the levels, you're still talking to people, you're still solving problems, you're still using stealth, you're still shooting enemies.[/QUOTE] But it does matter. It's not just "removing challenge" as you put it. That's a stupid way of looking at it. Yes, the RPG mechanics of Deus Ex provided a degree of challenge. But if you just look at it as an obstacle and not a gameplay enriching mechanic, then you're missing the point of RPGs in general. Particularly Deus Ex, which excelled at it. So as to your second point, no you're not really experiencing the game in full. You're getting a fraction of what the game offers and mistakenly thinking otherwise.
[QUOTE=Worstcase;51681148]But it does matter. It's not just "removing challenge" as you put it. That's a stupid way of looking at it. Yes, the RPG mechanics of Deus Ex provided a degree of challenge. But if you just look at it as an obstacle and not a gameplay enriching mechanic, then you're missing the point of RPGs in general. So as to your second point, no you're not really experiencing the game in full. You're getting a fraction of what the game offers and mistakenly thinking otherwise.[/QUOTE] Yeah, you are only getting a small part of the experience, but you're still experiencing it. It's still not the same as watching a let's play or reading a plot summary.
[QUOTE=simkas;51681158]Yeah, you are only getting a small part of the experience, but you're still experiencing it. It's still not the same as watching a let's play or reading a plot summary.[/QUOTE] I guess but at that point I would just as soon argue that Deus Ex just isn't for you. Cheating, Let's Plays and plot summaries are just the figurative poor man's stand-in for the game itself. Deus Ex in particular is a game that is best experienced, that I cannot stress enough. But certainly not every game is like that to the same degree, so the aforementioned alternatives are probably less "bad". Of course, everyone is free to do what they want.
[QUOTE=simkas;51681099]I haven't, I found it way too clunky to play but that doesn't matter. Taking challenge out of a game doesn't somehow invalidate you playing it. Yeah, it leads to you missing out on a lot of things that the developers put in place for you but you're still getting the experience of playing the game and interacting with the most basic gameplay elements. You're still moving through the levels, you're still talking to people, you're still solving problems, you're still using stealth, you're still shooting enemies.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=simkas;51681158]Yeah, you are only getting a small part of the experience, but you're still experiencing it. It's still not the same as watching a let's play or reading a plot summary.[/QUOTE] Bottom line is he shouldn't be suggesting people play it a certain way or acting like he's got a fair critique of the game because he evidently had to try really hard to like it, to the point of excessive cheating and missing out half of what's considered core to the game.
[QUOTE=spekter;51681447]Bottom line is he shouldn't be suggesting people play it a certain way or acting like he's got a fair critique of the game because he evidently had to try really hard to like it, to the point of excessive cheating and missing out half of what's considered core to the game.[/QUOTE] I don't see why he couldn't be suggesting it for people who had the same issues with the vanilla game as he did. Those people might not end up playing the game at all otherwise.
[QUOTE=simkas;51681456]I don't see why he couldn't be suggesting it for people who had the same issues with the vanilla game as he did. Those people might not end up playing the game at all otherwise.[/QUOTE] [quote]I highly suggest [B]to anyone who wants to play[/B] to use the cheats and max out all the skills.[/quote] If they tried it and they didn't like it enough to find it unplayable what could possibly be gained from forcing themselves through it via cheating that couldn't be learned via a playthrough video or reading?
[QUOTE=spekter;51681541]If they tried it and they didn't like it enough to find it unplayable what could possibly be gained from forcing themselves through it via cheating that couldn't be learned via a playthrough video or reading?[/QUOTE] Well the guy that brought that up obviously said that he enjoyed [i]playing[/i] it that way so I dunno, maybe making the game actually enjoyable to play could be gained from that?
Tbh I cheated with the all-locks-only-use-one-multitool bug and I still preferred playing it instead of watching someone else dick about and make decisions I never would've. I don't see how "wow you cheated why don't you just watch a let's play" is applicable at all. Were the countless hours I spent having fun in Tony Hawk gamed as a kid somehow invalid because I didn't want to deal with balancing manuals and grinds at the time and used cheats?
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