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[QUOTE]The Chinese edition of the Global Times asks if "the rise of Russia" is a threat to Beijing.
"Some people are worried that Russia might become 'unreasonable' after its victory in Crimea and Beijing will find it difficult to deal with Moscow in the future," says the daily.
However, in its editorial, the paper also points that Russia could not endanger China, as "the main strategic pressure comes from US-led Western powers".
"This ubiquitous uncertainty is the main issue facing China in the 21st Century and it is more worrying than the uncertainty between Beijing and Moscow… China hopes for a multi-polar world, which a relatively powerful Russia could help achieve," writes the Global Times.
Echoing a similar sentiment, political scientist Wang Yiwei writes in Haiwai Net that although the stand-off between Russia and the West could slow down global economic recovery, China could only benefit from the confrontation.
"The revival of Russia will help relieve China's strategic pressure. US energy and economic sanctions against Russia will be a favourable factor in speeding up negotiations with Moscow on energy co-operation and building a strategic partnership," he argues.
Phoenix TV, a Hong Kong-based pro-Beijing TV station, is surprised that the Russian President Vladimir Putin "thanked China for its support" during his speech in Moscow on Tuesday in which he defended Moscow's annexation of Crimea.
"China did not do anything; it just abstained" from voting against Russia in the United nations Security Council, the TV recalls. "This shows that Mr Putin is very isolated and feels compelled to tell the West that he has Chinese support," the channel points out in a commentary.
It adds, however, that "this appreciation is rather uncomfortable for China… as Beijing is very cautious not to be seen supporting separatism".[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26660494[/url]
It'd be suicide for Russia to even think about invading China
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;44326130]It'd be suicide for Russia to even think about invading China[/QUOTE]
That's not what the article implies.
Some people think Russia will go full-dickwads and striking deals with them will be harder.
Some think that China can only benefit from this new Cold War.
EU using less Russian gas would be good for China as it means more energy security from the west.
I will say this, having Russia as a neighbour has made me suddenly obtain an opinion regarding if Finland should join NATO, and it's the option I thought I'd never choose, because I figured we'd stopped this war bullshit already.
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Some think that China can only benefit from this [b]new Cold War[/b].[/QUOTE]
Funny thought, could all this Crimea business be the start of a new Cold War?
Ive always assumed the Cold War never really ended after the fall of the USSR. It just..froze? And now its thawing off.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;44326675]Funny thought, could all this Crimea business be the start of a new Cold War?[/QUOTE]
Unless Putin makes more aggressive moves, probably not.
[QUOTE=KommradKommisar;44326707]Ive always assumed the Cold War never really ended after the fall of the USSR. It just..froze? And now its thawing off.[/QUOTE]
But then it will be room temp war?
maybe even hot war.
holy hell..
Ever feel so sick of all the bullshit that you just want to organize a worldwide armed rebellion and the establishment of a unified state devoted to advancing human interests?
[QUOTE=Grimhound;44326787]Ever feel so sick of all the bullshit that you just want to organize a worldwide armed rebellion and the establishment of a unified state devoted to advancing human interests?[/QUOTE]
If war ever broke out, and if it's won, Humanity wouldn't allow it to happen again.
A globally unified empire would be kewl beans
same way the UN came about, only this time it'll be 400% more glorious
[QUOTE=Grimhound;44326787]Ever feel so sick of all the bullshit that you just want to organize a worldwide armed rebellion and the establishment of a unified state devoted to advancing human interests?[/QUOTE]
The only guys who still thinks world revolution is possible are (mostly crazy) Marxist-Leninists...
[img]http://www.marxist.com/images/stories/britain/london_summer_school_2011.jpg[/img]
Etc
[QUOTE=MoralSupport;44326862]Not really. In the old days Russia had half of Europe under it's control. Now they only have Belarus in Europe and the dominant power in Asia sees Russia as not exactly friends to them. The only true influence Russia has is in western Asia Kazakhstan, Armenia, etc. Europe's main problem is just the dependency on Russia for oil.[/QUOTE]
They are also gaining influence in the middle east. Egypt has promoted a more Russian friendly stance and the main presidential contender has visited Moscow and Putin promoted his presidential bid. Iraq and Syria are also bastions of Russian and Iranian influence. Middle eastern powers seem to be welcoming Russia's willingness to hold onto an alliance at any cost. Given the middle east's political leadership in general, Russia would be more appealing due to the 'no strings attached' arms deals and such, whereas the west attaches preconditions and only slightly attempts to hide their poor human rights records.
[QUOTE=MoralSupport;44326878]Those aren't exactly powerful states and allies that you want though. You want powerful nations that control good amounts of the world economy. I wouldn't be proud of Iraq and syria as allies or spheres of influence. Iraq and Syria have internal messes.[/QUOTE]
They provide Russia with regional influence. The west was eager to scramble together a mobile arms showcase to Libya soon after the revolution. Arms sales, regional influence and bastions of strong international support. Syria has for example, provided Russia with arms sales, regional influence and global influence (it's made Russia a power broker in the middle east) and of course, a military port.
[QUOTE=Grimhound;44326787]Ever feel so sick of all the bullshit that you just want to organize a worldwide armed rebellion and the establishment of a unified state devoted to advancing human interests?[/QUOTE]
Things are the way they are because that's how the world works.
Violently replacing the people currently presiding over the ramshackle mess will only make things worse.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;44326972]Things are the way they are because that's how the world works.
Violently replacing the people currently presiding over the ramshackle mess will only make things worse.[/QUOTE]
The only way I can see a global government of some kind happening if is if some type of mega-UN formed somehow. Which will probably never happen unless some type of major event/war encourages it. World revolution is probably one of the least likely events considering violence would be inevitable and that violence would most definitely not result in the type of organization I am speaking of (not to mention that world revolution would most likely just be a synonym for world chaos.)
On-topic, the chinese really have a tough choice here. Usually they're pretty supportive with russia in most areas, but choosing a side here would result in bad things for china either way; with choices being: Have relations with NATO/the west suffer, which they rely on, or have relations with a long time supporter and pact member suffer. It's not exactly unexpected that they abstain.
As for talks of a cold war; well, if china all of a sudden formed extremely close political ties with russia, you would probably see a power bloc form. But such a thing is pretty unlikely to happen as the world is much more reliant on other countries than before, and a cold war/opposing eachother would just result in having everything to lose and nothing to gain.
[QUOTE=Grimhound;44326787]Ever feel so sick of all the bullshit that you just want to organize a worldwide armed rebellion and the establishment of a unified state devoted to advancing human interests?[/QUOTE]
It wouldn't advance human interest. We live in an era where humanity has a great division regarding religion and politics. Such is that we would see divisions based on political ideologies such as AnCap and AnCom, and the neo-conservative movement which tends to be a front for neo-Nazism at points.
The only reliable method of waging a war against a standing government in the modern era is either with the support of a current standing alliance(NATO), or to get the forces you are fighting to do something so atrocious, that it acts as a catalyst for people to use the ballot to dispose of the current government or responsible agency for the activity.
The most major event that comes to memory is the Waco Slaughter. That event, and the Ruby Ridge Assassinations, were the reason why the 1st Militia Movement swelled in numbers, and why our current generation tends to have a great deal of Libertarians and Anarchist. The only reason the 1st Militia Movement collapsed was because of the Oklahoma City Bombings. You honestly can't spin shit if you do shit yourself.
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;44326185]That's not what the article implies.
Some people think Russia will go full-dickwads and striking deals with them will be harder.
Some think that China can only benefit from this new Cold War.[/QUOTE]
Given the behaviour of Russia and the US I doubt there's ever been an end to the cold war. Best example of the past was Syria.
[QUOTE=lifehole;44327723]The only way I can see a global government of some kind happening if is if some type of mega-UN formed somehow. Which will probably never happen unless some type of major event/war encourages it.[/QUOTE]
Need to head to Antarctica for a second. Be right back.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;44326675]Funny thought, could all this Crimea business be the start of a new Cold War?[/QUOTE]
Well the first one kind of officially started in a similar fashion with the Russians attempting to exert their power over Berlin which resulted in the Berlin Airlift and then everyone giving each other funny looks from across the room.
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