• "Anti-ISIS American-Iranian Army Involvement an Absurd Idea" - Iranian General
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[quote]Tehran, Iran (CNN)Thousands of rifle-wielding troops parade across the plaza in lockstep to songs played by a brass band marching in formation. Soldiers salute generals from the open hatches of tanks -- and, in one case, from what appears to be a manned torpedo -- as an arsenal of military hardware is whisked around the square on the back of giant flatbed trucks. It's all part of a massive show of force as Iran kicks off its Sacred Defense Week under the watchful eye of President Hassan Rouhani. Sacred Defense Week commemorates the beginning of the Iran-Iraq war in 1980. The war -- known as the "Sacred Defense" in Iran -- began when Iraq, led by Saddam Hussein, invaded Iran and used chemical weapons against its forces. Hundreds of thousands died on both sides during the eight-year conflict. Overseeing the proceedings on Wednesday from a stage on the outskirts of Tehran, Rouhani praised the army for its efforts in a more recent war -- the fight against ISIS, which has seized control of large swathes of Syria and Iraq in the past year and a half. Some of Iran's top commanders we spoke to laughed off any notion of cooperating with the U.S. in the battle against the extremist group. Many of the country's military and political leaders accuse the U.S. of being responsible for ISIS's rise. They also believe that the American-led air campaign to root out ISIS is deeply ineffective. [B]"You must be dreaming," Major General Hassan Firouzabadi, the military's chief of staff, says. "The Americans are the ones who created ISIS. American officials hypocritically play two roles. They lie in politics and they lie in security."[/B][/quote] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/22/middleeast/iran-sacred-defense-military-parade/index.html[/url]
Isis wouldn't be a thing is nationals and states didn't fund them all these years. Iran may not be behind funding Isis but they've destabilized other areas by funding the same caliber of groups
[quote]Soldiers salute generals from the open hatches of tanks -- and, in one case, from what appears to be a manned torpedo[/quote] What?
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48741492]What?[/QUOTE] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_torpedo"]wikipedia has an article on them, but they're all from wwii[/URL]
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48741492]What?[/QUOTE] If you are imagining that they pilot the torpedo into the ship/submarine, kamikaze style, then you are (likely) mistaken. From what i understand the torpedo is a shuttle for delivering a detachable magnetic warhead, which is deployed on the target ship and then detonated after they are well out of the area. It's more of a guerrilla warfare tactic than anything.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;48741588]If you are imagining that they pilot the torpedo into the ship/submarine, kamikaze style, then you are (likely) mistaken. From what i understand the torpedo is a shuttle for delivering a detachable magnetic warhead, which is deployed on the target ship and then detonated after they are well out of the area. It's more of a guerrilla warfare tactic than anything.[/QUOTE] The article has a picture. This thing looks fuckin handmade: [t]http://i.imgur.com/ZT1YVWx.jpg[/t] Like it's somebody's weekend project.
[QUOTE=aydin690;48741609]The article has a picture. This thing looks fuckin handmade: Like it's somebody's weekend project.[/QUOTE] Kind of the best military equipment, then, if it's cheap to make but still serviceable.
[QUOTE=Sableye;48741096]Isis wouldn't be a thing is nationals and states didn't fund them all these years. Iran may not be behind funding Isis but they've destabilized other areas by funding the same caliber of groups[/QUOTE] If you're going to play that game you can argue that the West was responsible for creating ISIS by deposing Saddam and destabilizing the region that way.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;48741588]If you are imagining that they pilot the torpedo into the ship/submarine, kamikaze style, then you are (likely) mistaken. From what i understand the torpedo is a shuttle for delivering a detachable magnetic warhead, which is deployed on the target ship and then detonated after they are well out of the area. It's more of a guerrilla warfare tactic than anything.[/QUOTE] So it's more of a mini submarine rather than a torpedo, got it.
He's got a point. I came in from the title thinking "sheesh what an asshole." But why should Iran join up with the US to clean up the US's mess with its resources.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;48741588]If you are imagining that they pilot the torpedo into the ship/submarine, kamikaze style, then you are (likely) mistaken. From what i understand the torpedo is a shuttle for delivering a detachable magnetic warhead, which is deployed on the target ship and then detonated after they are well out of the area. It's more of a guerrilla warfare tactic than anything.[/QUOTE] Here's a modern version of it. [t]http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_7476.jpg[/t][t]http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/image37.jpg[/t][t]http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_7481.jpg[/t] It can be transported in a NATO Standard 533mm torpedo tube
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48741492]What?[/QUOTE] If it isn't a human torpedo, then it's probably just some sort of frogman vehicle-- not exactly a manned submarine but a manned underwater craft. Iran does have some suicide weapons though, [url=http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/7984.htm]like those speedboats they developed and demonstrated against a model of an American aircraft carrier and talked about using[/url]. Whether or not it would work is another question, but they used suicide weapons and tactics successfully against the Iraqis during the Iran-Iraq War. [url=http://www.meforum.org/1059/irans-suicide-brigades]The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps has suicide brigades[/url], [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basij#Origins]the Basij successfully used human wave attacks to overwhelm Iraqi positions and clear minefields[/url], and then there was the case of [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Hossein_Fahmideh]Mohammad Fahmideh[/url]. It would probably be pretty demoralizing. Just during the Iran-Iraq War, with the Pasdaran and the Basij, their tactics took a heavy toll on the Iraqis (especially because they used children): [quote]"They chant 'Allahu Akbar' and they keep coming, and we keep shooting, sweeping our machine guns around like sickles. My men are eighteen, nineteen, just a few years older than these kids. I’ve seen them crying, and at times the officers have had to kick them back to their guns. Once we had Iranian kids on bikes cycling towards us, and my men all started laughing, and then these kids started lobbing their hand grenades and we stopped laughing and started shooting."[/quote] [quote]One boy lasted about 24 hours on the battlefield. He'd been sent out ahead of his countrymen - a 12-year-old boy ordered to be a human minesweeper, setting off mines by poking them or jumping on them so that the adult soldiers behind him could advance safely. [This kid actually lived; he was blinded by a mine shard and taken prisoner.][/quote] [quote]The Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps gained favor and support from the regime and employed simple tactics of its own. Initially, the IRGC attacked with revolutionary fervor and huge numbers, hoping that this would overcome Iraqi advanced technology. They employed the human wave attack reminiscent of World War I. They sent in Basij volunteers as the lead element. These forces often consisted of old men and young children. The primary purpose of this initial wave was to clear mines, breach obstacles (often by laying on top of concertina wire), and to absorb enemy fire. Many of the Basij were found with plastic keys to heaven in their hands, or a note from the Ayatollah giving them permission to enter heaven. Separated perhaps by a few hundred meters, waves and waves of under-trained conscripts would storm Iraqi defenses. [url=http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/PF-Iran-Iraq.pdf]"The Evolution of Iranian Warfighting During the Iran-Iraq War", p.3[/url][/quote] Just wanted to share this stuff since it's relevant, assuming it actually is a human torpedo they were parading around with.
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