• Edward Snowden hails 'extraordinary' NSA reform, but says more needs to be done
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[vid]http://cdn.theguardian.tv/mainwebsite/2015/05/21/150521Snowden1_desk.mp4[/vid] [url]http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/22/edward-snowden-nsa-reform[/url] [quote]Edward Snowden has hailed landmark shifts in Congress and the US courts on NSA surveillance but cautioned that much more needs to be done to restore the balance in favour of privacy. He also warned this was only the beginning of reform of the NSA, saying there are still many bulk collection programmes which are “even more intrusive”, but expressed hope that the Senate would act to curb the NSA, saying retention of the status quo is untenable. In an hour-long interview with the Guardian in Moscow, the NSA whistleblower said the moves by the federal court and the House of Representatives marked the first time since the 1970s there had been a reduction rather than expansion in the powers of the surveillance agencies. “In our modern era, that is without precedent,” he said. “The idea that they can lock us out and there will be no change is no longer tenable. Everyone accepts these programmes were not effective, did not keep us safe and, even if they did, represent an unacceptable degradation of our rights.” The interview came in the wake of a US federal appeals court ruling that the NSA programme of bulk collection of phone records revealed by Snowden is illegal. The House of Representatives followed this by voting overwhelmingly to curb the programme and the the Senate is now deciding whether to go through with the generational reform. “The recent activity in Congress is fairly extraordinary. We have for the first time since the 70s [seen] a narrowing of the privileges and authorities the intelligence communities enjoy rather than an expansion of them,” he said. But he added it was important to remember that bulk collection of phone records represented only one of the surveillance programmes. “This is only the bare beginning of reform. There are still many bulk collection programmes out there that affect other things – such as financial records, such as travel records – that are even more intrusive. What it says is that bad laws are not forever and if we work together, we can change them.”[/quote]
They'll just change the name and do it in secret. Nothing will change.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;47780407]They'll just change the name and do it in secret. Nothing will change.[/QUOTE] But, you just said...
With all this reform going on you'd think he'd be getting a pardon. Cause, you know, he's the reason why its getting reformed.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;47780720]With all this reform going on you'd think he'd be getting a pardon. Cause, you know, he's the reason why its getting reformed.[/QUOTE] The reform doesn't make leaking government files legal.
[QUOTE=Butthurter;47780464]hes so attractive[/QUOTE] I thought that throughout the entire video, glad I'm not alone.
ITT I discovered that Facepunch's post-goes-blank-when-you-edit-it problem has been fixed, praise Robotboy
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;47780977]The reform doesn't make leaking government files legal.[/QUOTE] Which is why he should be pardoned.
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;47780977]The reform doesn't make leaking government files legal.[/QUOTE] Even when what the Government was doing was illegal, it should work both ways imo.
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;47780977]The reform doesn't make leaking government files legal.[/QUOTE] convict anyone charged with causing positive change with being a level one troublemaker [editline]22nd May 2015[/editline] my dad feels very strongly about this, let me repeat him:
so from what i gather this just makes it so the nsa has to go to a secret court(?) first before investigating a phone number, and any related numbers, and thats it? it doesnt touch the stuff with how it operates with companies or internet data?
the concept of secret courts is so hilariously flawed
[QUOTE=Butthurter;47780464]hes so attractive[/QUOTE] i would fuck him [editline]22nd May 2015[/editline] up the butt [editline]22nd May 2015[/editline] no homo
[QUOTE=Wednesday;47782844]so from what i gather this just makes it so the nsa has to go to a secret court(?) first before investigating a phone number, and any related numbers, and thats it? it doesnt touch the stuff with how it operates with companies or internet data?[/QUOTE] We're not totally sure what's going to end up in the bill because the Senate might change some stuff. The biggest thing is that the NSA could no longer collect everyone's phone records indiscriminately to look for terrorist stuff, they'd have to pick specific targets. There's a bunch of other stuff like introducing a public advocate into the ~secret court~ and reforming stuff Groups like the EFF and ACLU have basically said it's pretty cool but is only a first step and needs to go further
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;47780407]They'll just change the name and do it in secret. Nothing will change.[/QUOTE] Alternatively, life isn't a bad movie.
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