The Simple Reform That Improved Black Students' Earnings
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When states raise the number of math classes they require students to take in high school, black students complete more math coursework—and boost their earnings as a result. That’s the topline takeaway from [URL="http://papers.nber.org/papers/W23063?utm_campaign=ntw&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ntw"]new research[/URL] by Joshua Goodman, an associate professor of public policy at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government.
To understand the results, it’s helpful to have a little background. During the 1980s, a now-famous report called “[URL="https://www2.ed.gov/pubs/NatAtRisk/risk.html"]A Nation at Risk[/URL]” by Ronald Reagan’s National Commission on Excellence in Education opened this way:[/quote]
source:[URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/01/the-simple-reform-that-improved-black-students-earnings/514586/?utm_source=atltw[/URL]
direct link to study if you're interested (paywall unless you at a school wit connections): [URL]https://www.nber.org/papers/w23063?utm_campaign=ntw&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ntw[/URL]
edit: Here it is without a paywall. Thanks to DOG-GY ! [url]http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/joshuagoodman/files/w23063.pdf[/url]
[sp]"Educators Hate Him! Researcher Uncovers One Simple Reform to Improve Black Earnings!" was my original title but I began to worry that BDA would gently gulag me if I did it[/sp]
id like to think the more math classes everybody takes the better off they'll be in general, everything today is made with math, the higher and higher you go the more you understand things and the more you can apply it to other applications
[QUOTE=Sableye;51743010]id like to think the more math classes everybody takes the better off they'll be in general, everything today is made with math, the higher and higher you go the more you understand things and the more you can apply it to other applications[/QUOTE]
That's one of the reasons I'm an applied math major. With a strong basis in math, you can get into engineering, business, statistics, finance, the cutting edge part of biology, the rest of biology, geology, art, animation, music, computer science. EVERYTHING is benefited by knowing more math. I keep telling the kid I tutor in algebra that even though everything he's doing seems abstract, it never goes away and it's the foundation for every thing you have to do in math and anything worth going to college for requires math.
The other reason is the fear and respect I gain from people when I tell them I study math. People are afraid of numbers so you're like a powerful wizard to them.
[QUOTE=Dr.C;51743093]That's why one of the reasons I'm an applied math major. With a strong basis in math, you can get into engineering, business, statistics, finance, the cutting edge part of biology, the rest of biology, geology, art, animation, music, computer science. EVERYTHING is benefited by knowing more math. I keep telling the kid I tutor in algebra that even though everything he's doing seems abstract, it never goes away and it's the foundation for every thing you have to do in math and anything worth going to college for requires math.
The other reason is the fear and respect I gain from people when I tell them I study math. People are afraid of numbers so you're like a powerful wizard to them.[/QUOTE]
I deeply regret dropping math in high school. After I learned about quantum physics I really wanted to get more into it, but I simply don't have the foundation to understand a lot of what I see.
I recently switched to a math major at school and while I know there's so much I can do that involves math, I have absolutely no idea what I want to do, exactly.
[QUOTE=archangel125;51743095]I deeply regret dropping math in high school. After I learned about quantum physics I really wanted to get more into it, but I simply don't have the foundation to understand a lot of what I see.[/QUOTE]
I didn't pick up math until college. I was garbage at it in high school. Math doesn't get fun until calculus 2 which is also where people have the most trouble
[QUOTE=Dr.C;51743162]I didn't pick up math until college. I was garbage at it in high school. Math doesn't get fun until calculus 2 which is also where people have the most trouble[/QUOTE]
I had a real instinctive knack for trigonometry, does that help?
[QUOTE=archangel125;51743095]I deeply regret dropping math in high school. After I learned about quantum physics I really wanted to get more into it, but I simply don't have the foundation to understand a lot of what I see.[/QUOTE]
Khan Academy dude. Better than any high school education and you can work at your own pace when you'd otherwise be just browsing the internet wasting time.
[QUOTE=srobins;51743217]Khan Academy dude. Better than any high school education and you can work at your own pace when you'd otherwise be just browsing the internet wasting time.[/QUOTE]
That... sounds like a p. good idea, actually. Thanks.
Math is important.
do that math
can't think right without the math
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[QUOTE=archangel125;51743214]I had a real instinctive knack for trigonometry, does that help?[/QUOTE]
Yes. trig never goes away and does end up being incorporated into calculus and physics
I loathe math. i'd much rather be learning things related to history. yea math is useful but personally its not something that's ever clicked for me, and I don't think it ever will. I leave the number crunching up to more qualified people
[QUOTE=archangel125;51743095]I deeply regret dropping math in high school. After I learned about quantum physics I really wanted to get more into it, but I simply don't have the foundation to understand a lot of what I see.[/QUOTE]
Honestly you can learn quantum physics without going to school for math. I'd recommend getting [I]QED: The Strange Theory of Light and Matter[/I] by Richard Feynman as well as [I]Antimatter[/I] by Frank Close and [I]A Student's Guide to Maxwell's[/I] Equations by Daniel Fleisch.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;51743287]Honestly you can learn quantum physics without going to school for math. I'd recommend getting [I]QED: The Strange Theory of Light and Matter[/I] by Richard Feynman as well as [I]Antimatter[/I] by Frank Close and [I]A Student's Guide to Maxwell's[/I] Equations by Daniel Fleisch.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, man. I'll grab those when I next have book money.
[QUOTE=bdd458;51743280]I loathe math. i'd much rather be learning things related to history. yea math is useful but personally its not something that's ever clicked for me, and I don't think it ever will. I leave the number crunching up to more qualified people[/QUOTE]
there's research that says if you can get good at reading you can be good at math, it's really the same thing
[editline]29th January 2017[/editline]
don't give up on mathe...
[QUOTE=archangel125;51743222]That... sounds like a p. good idea, actually. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Khan academy IIRC won't take you super deep into math. But it'll give you a great foundation to go on and get serious about shit
-snip old study on the topic by same dude-
trying to find the right one
[QUOTE=Dr.C;51743275]Yes. trig never goes away and does end up being incorporated into calculus and physics[/QUOTE]
This 100%. When you get to calculus 2, you'll find that there are a [i]lot[/i] of integrals that can't really be simplified without a hefty understanding of trigonometry and trigonometric functions.
I just kinda' took the average-level math courses through highschool and didn't touch anything calculus-related until I was ass deep in college, but now I know more math than most other people I know, even though I'm sometimes pretty shaky on the execution still, haha.
[url]http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/joshuagoodman/files/w23063.pdf[/url]
ok here is the study, not behind a paywall, for real this time, if you wanna add it to the OP
[QUOTE=Turnips5;51743411]there's research that says if you can get good at reading you can be good at math, it's really the same thing
[editline]29th January 2017[/editline]
don't give up on mathe...[/QUOTE]
I've gotten As in every english class I ever took, I write 10 page papers the night before they are due and get at least 90%, I read a book every week and I write short stories for fun occasionally.
I absolutely cannot do math, it's like a mental block stopping me from progressing past college algebra.
Now that I'm in college I find math being substantially easier to grasp compared to when I was in high school and took only one year of algebra and nearly failed.
That may change if I get into calculus but I guess I just wasn't there yet mentally to grasp it since I'm a very hands on/applied learner.
To think that the trend is to actually have less math requirements.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51742988]source:[URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/01/the-simple-reform-that-improved-black-students-earnings/514586/?utm_source=atltw[/URL]
direct link to study if you're interested (paywall unless you at a school wit connections): [URL]https://www.nber.org/papers/w23063?utm_campaign=ntw&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ntw[/URL]
edit: Here it is without a paywall. Thanks to DOG-GY ! [url]http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/joshuagoodman/files/w23063.pdf[/url]
[sp]"Educators Hate Him! Researcher Uncovers One Simple Reform to Improve Black Earnings!" was my original title but I began to worry that BDA would gently gulag me if I did it[/sp][/QUOTE]
I would have gulaged you. You made the right decision.
Math is lame. I have to take like heat and magnet Physics and Calc 3 for a major. I hate math so much.
[QUOTE=Sableye;51743010]id like to think the more math classes everybody takes the better off they'll be in general, everything today is made with math, the higher and higher you go the more you understand things and the more you can apply it to other applications[/QUOTE]
I really want to use my future CS major to go into and improve educational software in primarily maths and sciences. I've seen so many peers be turned off because they don't understand the practical use of the math they're learning. I want to help make software that teaches math in the best way possible.
[QUOTE=archangel125;51743095]I deeply regret dropping math in high school. After I learned about quantum physics I really wanted to get more into it, but I simply don't have the foundation to understand a lot of what I see.[/QUOTE]
For quantum shit you just need to understand linear algebra, differential equations and probability very well :).
[QUOTE=Dr.C;51743093]That's one of the reasons I'm an applied math major. With a strong basis in math, you can get into engineering, business, statistics, finance, the cutting edge part of biology, the rest of biology, geology, art, animation, music, computer science. EVERYTHING is benefited by knowing more math. I keep telling the kid I tutor in algebra that even though everything he's doing seems abstract, it never goes away and it's the foundation for every thing you have to do in math and anything worth going to college for requires math.
The other reason is the fear and respect I gain from people when I tell them I study math. People are afraid of numbers so you're like a powerful wizard to them.[/QUOTE]
What foul beings can ye conjure, oh great numerical warlock?
I never got past algebra II or physics, it didn't help that I saw my classmates drop like flies during the semesters.
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