Australia won't back down if they lose their legal bid to halt Japanese "research" whaling
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[QUOTE]Australia will keep up its diplomatic fight against Japan's scientific whaling program even if it loses its international legal bid to halt the annual cull.
Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus will appear at the International Court of Justice in The Hague next week to argue Australia's case that Japan's program is commercial and not for the purpose of scientific research.
Japan told the UN's top court on Tuesday that Australia's anti-whaling stance is part of a "civilising mission and moral crusade" that is totally out of place in the modern world.
Mr Dreyfus says the case is not about culture, but science and facts.
He says if Australia loses the case it will abide by the decision of the court, but that won't be the end of the argument.
"On the contrary, we're talking about protecting the world's environment, we're talking about ongoing science. Australia has our own scientific program, none of which involves killing
whales," he told ABC Radio in Melbourne.
"We will continue to use diplomatic means to argue the point that we are making, the points that we are making within the international whaling commission and that we'll be arguing
with Japan that they should stop doing what they are doing."[/QUOTE]
[URL]http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/07/05/10/23/un-loss-won-t-end-whaling-fight-dreyfus[/URL]
Why don't I feel bad for the whales? I can see them dying off due to other reasons such as pollution
the problem is japan's "research" specemines end up on the tables of very ritzy restaurants, and its very obvious that they're hunting the whales, as there are many other ways to date the age of a whale besides killing it. its like chopping down a tree to see if it's healthy....
[QUOTE=Sableye;41321070]the problem is japan's "research" specemines end up on the tables of very ritzy restaurants, and its very obvious that they're hunting the whales, as there are many other ways to date the age of a whale besides killing it. its like chopping down a tree to see if it's healthy....[/QUOTE]
They're researching new soup.
[QUOTE=Sableye;41321070]the problem is japan's "research" specemines end up on the tables of very ritzy restaurants, and its very obvious that they're hunting the whales, as there are many other ways to date the age of a whale besides killing it. its like chopping down a tree to see if it's healthy....[/QUOTE]
whale meat isn't even popular in japan anymore this industry has literally no reason to exist
I hope that the issue can be resolved through diplomacy, the whole Sea Shepherd shebang is the wrong way to solve the problem.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41321329]whale meat isn't even popular in japan anymore this industry has literally no reason to exist[/QUOTE]
Whale matter is good for more than just eating
I doubt they'd be pushing whaling as much as they do if they didn't have economic reasons to do so
[QUOTE=Maloof?;41321375]Whale matter is good for more than just eating
I doubt they'd be pushing whaling as much as they do if they didn't have economic reasons to do so[/QUOTE]
economic reasons have nothing to do with it the whaling industry has been propped up by the government for years now it's dying
"Researching" the perfect whale sandwich
[QUOTE=Sableye;41321070]the problem is japan's "research" specemines end up on the tables of very ritzy restaurants, and its very obvious that they're hunting the whales, as there are many other ways to date the age of a whale besides killing it. its like chopping down a tree to see if it's healthy....[/QUOTE]
Their "research" is just to see how many whales they can kill per year without it seriously affecting the population.
How else are we going to find out how many sharp objects we can shove into a whale before it dies?
Good on ya, mate! Don't give up...and while you're at it shove a boot up Sea Shepherd's ass too. They're just as bad.[QUOTE=Carlito;41321373]I hope that the issue can be resolved through diplomacy, the whole Sea Shepherd shebang is the wrong way to solve the problem.[/QUOTE]
100% agreed. People like to dumb-bomb me when I mention Sea Shepherd are little more than a bunch of disgusting pirates that deserve little more than to be locked up in a federal jail somewhere, but they do.
Simply define whaling in Australian waters as piracy.
[QUOTE=TestECull;41322679]Good on ya, mate! Don't give up...and while you're at it shove a boot up Sea Shepherd's ass too. They're just as bad.
100% agreed. People like to dumb-bomb me when I mention Sea Shepherd are little more than a bunch of disgusting pirates that deserve little more than to be locked up in a federal jail somewhere, but they do.[/QUOTE]
Thing is the Sea Shepherds werent wrong in what they were trying to do. Their methods are disagreeable at best and absolutely terrible at worst, but they make a good point.
Im just glad that Australia is shoving them aside and doing it the proper way, We dont need tear gas and oil slick, we just need really good legal action.
[QUOTE=Blackfire76;41322732]Simply define whaling in Australian waters as piracy.[/QUOTE]
It's not Australian waters, its claimed by Australia as part of their exclusive economic zone and its an internationally recognized whale sanctuary (where this is happening) but the Japanese government does not recognize this and instead considers the area as international waters. It's a gray area that needs to be resolved
Send the military, Durr.
No but seriously, Im glad to see Australia isnt pussifiying out this time like every orther time.
Australia just got much respect from me.
Japan certainly does the most whaling, but they mainly take Minke whales. Let us not give a free pass to the Nordic countries whaling activities on more endangered species, which don't get as much public attention because of reality TV shows. I think the Japanese hunt has been given enough bad publicity in recent years thanks to Whale Wars and the like that it will likely be ending soon.
Iceland on the other hand, has a Fin whale hunt underway, targeting 154 Fin whales which [I]are[/I] endangered([url]http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/2478/0[/url]). They also take Minke's and the usual. However they usually sell the stuff to Japan anyway. A lot of other countries are starting to block the trade of the meat, and I even recall the United States threatening sanctions if they shipped last year.
[url]http://bigpondnews.com/articles/Environment/2013/06/18/Iceland_resumes_controversial_whale_hunt_880816.html[/url]
[url]http://www.icelandreview.com/icelandreview/daily_news/Iceland_Whale_Meat_Blocked_from_Dutch_Ports_0_400680.news.aspx[/url]
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/20/us-sanctions-iceland-whale-hunt_n_904341.html[/url]
You can argue the hunt of non-endangered whales until the end of time, but no one should be killing animals that we believe to be endangered for any reason.
[QUOTE=calebc789;41322842]Thing is the Sea Shepherds werent wrong in what they were trying to do. Their methods are disagreeable at best and absolutely terrible at worst, but they make a good point.[/quote]
If they did the exact same things in defense of, say, tuna, or perhaps lobster, they'd have the US Navy shoved so far up their asses they'd be choking on frigates for a month. Probably end up in Gitmo, too, and rightfully so. They are terrorists and only get away with their terrorism because of their save the whales rhetoric.
I am kinda curious what their reaction would be if the USS John C Stennis showed up right in front of them, though.....
[quote]Im just glad that Australia is shoving them aside and doing it the proper way, We dont need tear gas and oil slick, we just need really good legal action.[/QUOTE]
Yup. This is why I'm behind Australia on this one. I've got nothing against saving the whales.
[QUOTE=wizard`;41323036]It's not Australian waters, its claimed by Australia as part of their exclusive economic zone and its an internationally recognized whale sanctuary (where this is happening) but the Japanese government does not recognize this and instead considers the area as international waters. It's a gray area that needs to be resolved[/QUOTE]
If it's an internationally recognised whale sanctuary, how the fuck can japan get away with "nah we don't think so"?
The whole "whaling for scientific purposes" is utter bullshit anyway. Combined across different species they catch a few thousand whales per year. Anybody with 2 braincells knows that's WAY more than would actually be needed.
[QUOTE=Carlito;41321373]I hope that the issue can be resolved through diplomacy, the whole Sea Shepherd shebang is the wrong way to solve the problem.[/QUOTE]
Except Sea Shepherd have been shown to be very effective at stopping whalers,
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;41327797]Except Sea Shepherd have been shown to be very effective at stopping whalers,[/QUOTE]
And also getting the Japanese people to rally in support of blue-collar workers being attacked while trying to make a living.
[QUOTE=catbarf;41328621]And also getting the Japanese people to rally in support of blue-collar workers being attacked while trying to make a living.[/QUOTE]
Their living is at the expense of entire species so their living can go get fucked.
[QUOTE=The golden;41329554]Uhm if they fuck the oceans over enough then it will destroy far more than their livings later down the line.
It's never good to say something like this but they really do need to lose their jobs. Pretty much this entire planet relies on the ocean for one thing or another and our over-exploitation of it is going to have catastrophic consequences for every living thing on this planet.[/QUOTE]
A lot of fishermen neef to lose their jobs unfortunately. The entire global industry needs to be restructured to work sustainably.
Sorry I had to...
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[QUOTE=OvB;41323705]Japan certainly does the most whaling, but they mainly take Minke whales. Let us not give a free pass to the Nordic countries whaling activities on more endangered species, which don't get as much public attention because of reality TV shows. I think the Japanese hunt has been given enough bad publicity in recent years thanks to Whale Wars and the like that it will likely be ending soon.
Iceland on the other hand, has a Fin whale hunt underway, targeting 154 Fin whales which [I]are[/I] endangered([url]http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/2478/0[/url]). They also take Minke's and the usual. However they usually sell the stuff to Japan anyway. A lot of other countries are starting to block the trade of the meat, and I even recall the United States threatening sanctions if they shipped last year.
[url]http://bigpondnews.com/articles/Environment/2013/06/18/Iceland_resumes_controversial_whale_hunt_880816.html[/url]
[url]http://www.icelandreview.com/icelandreview/daily_news/Iceland_Whale_Meat_Blocked_from_Dutch_Ports_0_400680.news.aspx[/url]
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/20/us-sanctions-iceland-whale-hunt_n_904341.html[/url]
You can argue the hunt of non-endangered whales until the end of time, but no one should be killing animals that we believe to be endangered for any reason.[/QUOTE]
Wait why haven't I been hearing anything about this? Is everyone too focused on the economy right now?
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