Washington gets explicit: its 'war on terror' is permanent
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[QUOTE]Last October, senior Obama officials anonymously [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/plan-for-hunting-terrorists-signals-us-intends-to-keep-adding-names-to-kill-lists/2012/10/23/4789b2ae-18b3-11e2-a55c-39408fbe6a4b_story.html"]unveiled to the Washington Post[/URL] their newly minted "disposition matrix", a complex computer system that will be used to determine how a terrorist suspect will be "disposed of": indefinite detention, prosecution in a real court, assassination-by-CIA-drones, etc. Their rationale for why this was needed now, a full 12 years after the 9/11 attack:
"Among senior Obama administration officials, there is a broad consensus that such operations are likely [I]to be extended at least another decade[/I]. Given the way al-Qaida continues to metastasize, some officials said [I]no clear end is in sight[/I]. . . . That timeline suggests that the United States [I]has reached only the midpoint of what was once known as the global war on terrorism[/I]."
On Thursday, the Senate Armed Services Committee held a hearing on whether the statutory basis for this "war" - the 2001 Authorization to Use Military Force (AUMF) - should be
revised (meaning: expanded). [URL="http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/05/decades-of-war/"]This is how[/URL] Wired's Spencer Ackerman (soon to be the Guardian US's national security editor) described the most significant exchange:...[/QUOTE]
Source: [URL]http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/17/endless-war-on-terror-obama[/URL]
So a computer located in the US decides if it is adequate to murder a person outside of the US using a drone flying above foreign territory? Because if civilians get killed by a machine there is noone to blame, right? Good job, home of the brave.
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At least they don't have to bother ruining their reputation by killing Pakistani civilians.
fuck this
war is an abomination on humanity and all this does is make it easier to justify murder
The war of terror is fighting symptoms instead of the cause. It even is part of the cause nowadays.
Exactly Clavus. Maybe they deliberately wanted to create enemies to keep the war going for profit and such.
There is not likely to be a massive organised terror organisation as the use of the term al-quida is used to lead us to believe (look up how it was invented in a courtroom in New York a few months before 9/11 to make the terrorists look more co-ordinated and more of an actual threat) but one things for certain - there are a lot of groups that hate and want to attack the US and it's allies now merely because of their actions in the "war" on "terror" let alone what it did before.
Sadly this country lost the war on terror when it started sacrificing freedom for safety, as cliche as it sounds to say.
It's really gone too far.
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;40737978]Exactly Clavus. Maybe they deliberately wanted to create enemies to keep the war going for profit and such.[/QUOTE]
i think you might have played too much Metal Gear
I haven't played Metal Gear since PS1 days
As long as there's a war on terror, the terrorists have won.
At least they are open about their status as awful warmongers, 'permanent war' my ass
The irony never ceases to amaze me.
Is war on terror an oxymoron?
[QUOTE=Cone;40737997]i think you might have played too much Metal Gear[/QUOTE]
yeah god forbid any entertainment product could ever hope to express ideas surrounding real world political issues
[QUOTE=Cone;40737997]i think you might have played too much Metal Gear[/QUOTE]
Yeah, because there is any other reason to continue this war other than to fuel the massive war industry.
Vote the assholes out of office. People in Washington have deliberately failed to make the intuitive leap of figuring out that you cannot bomb people into liking you more. The military-industrial-political complex has gained the ability to perpetuate itself indefinitely while the last of our battered social support systems crumble to nothing.
Orwell was right, perpetual war keeps people docile and controllable. Just look at how people cowered in their homes in Boston at the first mention of terrorism.
"If voting changed anything they'd make it illegal."
[QUOTE=Clavus;40737951]The war of terror is fighting symptoms instead of the cause. It even is part of the cause nowadays.[/QUOTE]
Lack of education, Propoganda and gullibility?
[QUOTE=Maloof?;40738391]yeah god forbid any entertainment product could ever hope to express ideas surrounding real world political issues[/QUOTE]This is [I]Metal Gear[/I] we're talking about. Yeah some games may make valid points, but Hideo's writing makes sense only to the insane.
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These aren't necessarily people that can be voted out of office. Organizations like the FBI, CIA, the military, etc. who really manage the war on terror don't have much public oversight, if any at all.
The American war [del]of[/del] on terror will never end. Drones will fly across the planet spreading [del]death[/del] Peace and [del]Terror[/del] Stability.
[QUOTE=Abeevau;40739102]These aren't necessarily people that can be voted out of office. Organizations like the FBI, CIA, the military, etc. who really manage the war on terror don't have much public oversight, if any at all.[/QUOTE]
A revolution would get them out of office.
[QUOTE=Coffee;40739316]A revolution would get them out of office.[/QUOTE]
Revolution is very, very far away. People are always mad at their government for one reason or another, but revolution doesn't happen from pure governmental hate. It happens from terrible living conditions, starvation, or full on ground war.
When was the last time a first world country had a full on revolution without it being some 2nd world full of superdense apartment buildings and starving people.
Now we have the war on terror and the war on drugs.
You stay classy, America.
[quote]Given the way al-Qaida continues to metastasize[/quote]
And those in power don't seem to realise that the sheer presence of the Western militaries in the Middle East is what spurs this on?
Funny how our disgustingly massive defense budget is really just a disgustingly massive offense budget.
doesn't this mean that we can pass wartime laws that restrict freedoms and such since we're now technically always at war? (with an idea)
goddammit obama [i]things were supposed to be different[/i]
[QUOTE=General J;40740403]doesn't this mean that we can pass wartime laws that restrict freedoms and such since we're now technically always at war? (with an idea)[/QUOTE]
America already has with the PATRIOT act.
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;40737978]Exactly Clavus. Maybe they deliberately wanted to create enemies to keep the war going for profit and such.
There is not likely to be a massive organised terror organisation as the use of the term al-quida is used to lead us to believe (look up how it was invented in a courtroom in New York a few months before 9/11 to make the terrorists look more co-ordinated and more of an actual threat) but one things for certain - there are a lot of groups that hate and want to attack the US and it's allies now merely because of their actions in the "war" on "terror" let alone what it did before.[/QUOTE]
War hasn't been profitable in years, lad. It's just dream, a hopeless war in search of an impossible peace.
We've lost this war, we just don't want to admit it.
Things are never what they seem on the surface. I think the war on terror is being used as political cover for something else. By calling it the war on terror they make it hard for anyone to stand against it. You're not for the terrorists are you? Then you must support the war against them.
Meanwhile, they can get budget money to pay for certain things they want, they can get bases in other countries around the world because of course those countries want to help in the war on terror, and they can kill or imprison anyone they want without trial or even charging them with a crime, just by calling them a terrorist. They know the US has just enough racists in it that as long as we aren't attacking white people it's okay. You know this is true because look at how the US freaked out when that guy shot all those kids in the school and yet does middle America have anything to say about the innocent kids killed in our name by our drones? No.
Those of us who do speak out get labeled socialist, bleeding hearts, liberals...and those are the nice insults.
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