Ukraine Passes Enabling Act by 235 votes to 450. Protestors can be arrested and sentenced to years i
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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25771595[/url]
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/16/ukraine-sweeping-law-crack-down-protests[/url]
[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/16/us-ukraine-law-idUSBREA0F12M20140116[/url]
[url]http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/yanukovych-signs-all-laws-passed-by-parliament-on-jan-16-335181.html[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship_laws_in_Ukraine[/url]
[url]http://world.maidanua.org/2014/australians-condemn-new-dictatorship-laws-in-ukraine[/url]
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[i]Ukrainian lawmakers vote using a show of hands, a method criticised by opposition leaders, who were caught off guard. Photograph: Sergey Dolzhenko/EPA[/i]
[quote]Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych has signed into law a bill aimed at curbing anti-government protests.
[b]The bill was passed in parliament on Thursday with a quick show of hands by MPs loyal to the president, rather than the usual system of electronic voting.[/b]
The changes include a ban on unauthorised tents in public areas and criminal responsibility for slandering government officials.
[b]The move has sparked uproar among the opposition, who say it is illegal.
They have accused the ruling party of a coup.[/b]
The US and several EU countries expressed deep concern over the new bills.[/quote]
[quote][b]Ukraine’s parliament, known as the Verkhovna Rada, adopted the following yesterday:[/b]
[b]MPs may be stripped of immunity by a simple majority vote in the Verkhovna Rada thereby allowing initiation of criminal proceedings, detention or arrest with such cases no longer requiring prior review by the relevant Parliamentary Committee;[/b]
Amnesty from prosecution previously adopted by the Verkhovna Rada and granted to peaceful protestors who participated in protests since November 21, 2013 has now been extended to also exempt from punishment those who committed crimes against protestors,
including Berkut security forces and other law enforcement officials;
[b]Allowing trial and sentencing in absentia of individuals, including prison terms, [/b]in cases where the person refuses to appear in court and when criminal proceedings in absence of such person are pronounced possible;
Blocking access to residential buildings, up to six years in jail
Groups of more than 5 cars driving together require permission from the Ministry of Interior Affairs, otherwise, the drivers face loss of license and vehicle for up to two years;
Gathering and disseminating information about Berkut, judges or their families, up to 2 years in jail;
[b]Libel including via press or social media, up to one year in jail[/b]
Law enforcement officials involved in similar activities and their families face a maximum prison term of six months;
[b]Blocking government buildings, up to five years in jail;[/b]
Up to 15 days arrest for unauthorized installation of tents, stages and sound equipment;
Up to 10 days arrest for participation in peaceful gatherings wearing a mask, helmet or other means of covering one’s face;
NGOs that accept foreign funds must register as “foreign agents” and face high scrutiny, additional tax measures;
State may take the decision to ban Internet access;
A broad definition of “extremist activities” adopted disallows NGOs and churches from engaging in support of civil protests.[/quote]
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After it was voted
[video=youtube;bAjxeLjfZjw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAjxeLjfZjw[/video]
Enjoy your last year in power
Wow. I knew it was bad, but this is something else.
Wow. Are those big protests still going on in Kiev?
[QUOTE=BrownTown;43597452]Wow. Are those big protests still going on in Kiev?[/QUOTE]
Might as well post em here too
[video=youtube;Pkzi6-zz55M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkzi6-zz55M[/video]
[video=youtube;DeUallPawsI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeUallPawsI[/video]
Either:
A) The international community steps in and denounces this step away from democracy.
B) They don't, and this sets a precedent for acceptable policy.
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;43597476]Might as well post em here too[/QUOTE]
I know this looks awfully violent, but you've gotta remember that these people are literally fighting for their democratic rights.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;43597477]Either:
A) The international community steps in and denounces this step away from democracy.
B) They don't, and this sets a precedent for acceptable policy.[/QUOTE]
It's B.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;43597477]Either:
A) The international community steps in and denounces this step away from democracy.
B) They don't, and this sets a precedent for acceptable policy.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure we'll hear a response from the EU shortly, but the relationship between Ukraine and Russia severely limits any sort of official sanctions.
What are they yelling in those videos?
Right, that's it then.
The time for peaceful demonstration is over, if you want change, string them up.
Things are going to go downhill very quick in Ukraine...
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;43597477]Either:
A) The international community steps in and denounces this step away from democracy.
B) They don't, and this sets a precedent for acceptable policy.[/QUOTE]
The most anyone will do is say "Yo, this shit's bad"
Pretty much it
[QUOTE=Stopper;43597516]I know this looks awfully violent, but you've gotta remember that these people are literally fighting for their democratic rights.[/QUOTE]
Usually I'd be the first guy to denounce any sort of violence, but history has shown these methods are what really gets shit done, and I don't think we can trust the Ghandi approach here.
[QUOTE=demoguy08;43597564]Usually I'd be the first guy to denounce any sort of violence, but history has shown these methods are what really gets shit done, and I don't think we can trust the Ghandi approach here.[/QUOTE]
Ghandi used violence after peaceful measures failed
[QUOTE=demoguy08;43597564]Usually I'd be the first guy to denounce any sort of violence, but history has shown these methods are what really gets shit done, and I don't think we can trust the Ghandi approach here.[/QUOTE]
Erm. This is not universal. Egypt and Libya show that it does NOT get shit done. It just replaced the shit with other shit. Same with Syria.
There are not many [I]recent[/I] events where violent overtake worked out well.
The Russian cabinet is probably masturbating right now.
[editline]19th January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=wallyroberto_2;43597616]Ghandi used violence after peaceful measures failed[/QUOTE]
Source?
[QUOTE=Killuah;43597694]Erm. This is not universal. Egypt and Libya show that it does NOT get shit done. It just replaced the shit with other shit. Same with Syria.
There are not many [I]recent[/I] events where violent overtake worked out well.[/QUOTE]
Oh I never said this method necessarliy ensures that the next leadership is better, I'm saying it's effective at maing the rest of the world take the issues seriously.
[editline]20th January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=wallyroberto_2;43597616]Ghandi used violence after peaceful measures failed[/QUOTE]
Regardless I'm saying peaceful debate probably isn't going to cut it.
Damn, just looking at those videos is worrying. If that doesn't change the minds of those in power, nothing will.
[QUOTE=demoguy08;43597778]Oh I never said this method necessarliy ensures that the next leadership is better, I'm saying it's effective at maing the rest of the world take the issues seriously.
[editline]20th January 2014[/editline]
Regardless I'm saying peaceful debate probably isn't going to cut it.[/QUOTE]
Agree.
Also I can't see either of the ways work alone.
[QUOTE=DesolateGrun;43597404]Enjoy your last year in power[/QUOTE]
He's been ousted numerous times before.
One of them, The orange revolution of 04.
The riots are going to get worse.
How long until we get coverage on the people's reaction?
[QUOTE=Rocko's;43597806]Damn, just looking at those videos is worrying. If that doesn't change the minds of those in power, nothing will.[/QUOTE]
You think the current government are retarded enough to step down and let themselves get sent to jail?
Hell no, they'll fight for power as much as they can while fucking the country over in the process (like it wasn't fucked enough already)
Man, they aren't even going out of the way to hint at the exact same kind of law Hitler made in 1933:
[media]http://youtu.be/eKE976sJ8kI?t=1h9m31s[/media]
I'm against riots, but honestly, the Ukraine government will not change unless damage is done from the looks of it. I honestly hope it doesn't get too violent, but gets to a point where they'll see where they've fucked up.
[QUOTE=demoguy08;43597564]Usually I'd be the first guy to denounce any sort of violence, but history has shown these methods are what really gets shit done, and I don't think we can trust the Ghandi approach here.[/QUOTE]
The Ukraine already used the "Ghandi approach," after the 2004 election. The same guy (Yanukovych) had been elected President, and the people saw electoral fraud. The people protested (in a similar way these protests started) but it ended in a peaceful re-vote, and the other guy won.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution[/url]
For whatever reason, Yanukovych was allowed to participate in the 2010 election. That election was deemed fair. Apparently though, Yanukovych isn't as keen to compromise this time.
[url="http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/26340.html"]Yanukovych said this in 2009:[/url]
[quote]Yanukovych said that after gaining the upper hand at the 2004 presidential election, he gave up victory for another candidate in order to avoid bloodshed.
"I didn't want mothers to lose their children and wives their husbands. I didn't want dead bodies from Kyiv to flow down the Dnipro. I didn't want to assume power through bloodshed," he said.[/quote]
Funny, that.
You can literally be arrested and have your drivers license suspended if they think you're driving in a column.
If you express an anti Party of Regions opinion, you can be arrested for several years.
There's no way they're going to step down peacefully.
[QUOTE=rilez;43597972]The Ukraine already used the "Ghandi approach," after the 2004 election. The same guy (Yanukovych) had been elected President, and the people saw electoral fraud. The people protested (in a similar way these protests started) but it ended in a peaceful re-vote, and the other guy won.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution[/url]
For whatever reason, Yanukovych was allowed to participate in the 2010 election. That election was deemed fair. Apparently though, Yanukovych isn't as keen to compromise this time.
[url="http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/26340.html"]Yanukovych said this in 2009:[/url]
Funny, that.[/QUOTE]
seems like now that he got power again there's no way he's gonna give it up so easily.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43597983]You can literally be arrested and have your drivers license suspended if they think you're driving in a column.
If you express an anti Party of Regions opinion, you can be arrested for several years.
There's no way they're going to step down peacefully.[/QUOTE]
Kill them. Seriously you want an example of tyranny you're looking at it.
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