[QUOTE]House Republicans advanced a bill on Friday that would continue funding the government at current spending levels for nearly three months but would strip money appropriated to fund Obamacare, following through on months of threats and inviting the prospect of a government shutdown if the Senate, as expected, does not accede to the House's decision before an Oct. 1 deadline.
The bill was passed on a largely party line vote, with 228 Republicans and two Democrats voting in favor of passage. 188 Democrats and one Republican were opposed.
Immediately after the vote concluded, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, and much of the Republican conference held a rally at the Capitol to celebrate.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57603877/house-passes-bill-funding-government-defunding-obamacare/[/url]
"Senate passes bill not to defund Obamacare"
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I don't understand why the republican party can be so anti-progressive if its for the common good.
Probably won't make it past the senate.
[QUOTE]Immediately after the vote concluded, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, and much of the Republican conference held a rally at the Capitol to celebrate.[/QUOTE]
Lets celebrate that our bill will get shot down in the senate!
WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO!
fuck yeah taking amerca [B]BACK![/B]
[QUOTE=Justjake274;42255252]fuck yeah taking amerca [B]BACK![/B][/QUOTE]
from the black
[QUOTE=Aide;42255229]I don't understand why the republican party can be so anti-progressive if its for the common good.[/QUOTE]
Because Obama.
I think the problem with obamacare (yes I am going to call it that), is that it is just to complex. The bill is basically the result of two opposite ideologies trying to compromise and in order to do so sticking on as much random crap as they could possible think of. It is trying to walk the fine line between a social system and a private system by so over regulating the private system that it will seriously damage the economy. I government is trying to run it all through regulation.
A one payer system would work (despite expenses), a private system would work (morally or not), but a jury rigged combination of the two won't. Just pick one, because this is going to do nothing but raise prices and damage industry. That is the exact opposite of what REFORM should do.
[QUOTE=Aide;42255229]I don't understand why the republican party can be so anti-progressive if its for the common good.[/QUOTE]
They have a [I]"our way or the highway"[/I] mentality.
Meanwhile almost all of the rest of the first world thinks they're acting like children with backwards ideologies.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];42255335']I think the problem with obamacare (yes I am going to call it that), is that it is just to complex. The bill is basically the result of two opposite ideologies trying to compromise and in order to do so sticking on as much random crap as they could possible think of. It is trying to walk the fine line between a social system and a private system by so over regulating the private system that it will seriously damage the economy. I government is trying to run it all through regulation.
A one payer system would work (despite expenses), a private system would work (morally or not), but a jury rigged combination of the two won't. Just pick one, because this is going to do nothing but raise prices and damage industry. That is the exact opposite of what REFORM should do.[/QUOTE]
A private system would work with profit maximization in mind and not with treating those who actually need it, but under current circumstances couldn't afford it.
A public system tends to be grow bloated if it's spending isn't kept under constant watch.
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A private system would work with profit maximization in mind and not with treating those who actually need it, but under current circumstances couldn't afford it.
A public system tends to be grow bloated if it's spending isn't kept under constant watch.[/QUOTE]
Agree with you there. The problem with a public system of health care is the population of the US. It could work in most of Europe, it could work in Canada, It would cost exponentially more the US.
The best way to describe Obamacare is that most people don't like it, but that MORE people think that the Republicans should just let it go.
Even the people who don't like Obamacare are tired of Republicans trying to end it.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];42255405']it could work in Canada[/QUOTE]
isn't canada's [i]dreaded[/i] healthcare system laughing its ass off at us right now
I've never really been clear on this. Is Obama's healthcare plan really something that'll "destroy the middle class" and "make it impossible to get the coverage [I]you[/I] deserve"? Because that's all I've been hearing, and people who I ask who support it only defend it with stuff like "Oh, don't listen to those attack ads, it's exactly what we need!" without ever going into specifics.
[QUOTE=Van-man;42255336]They have a [I]"our way or the highway"[/I] mentality.
Meanwhile almost all of the rest of the first world thinks they're acting like children with backwards ideologies.
A private system would work with profit maximization in mind and not with treating those who actually need it, but under current circumstances couldn't afford it.
A public system tends to be grow bloated if it's spending isn't kept under constant watch.[/QUOTE]
What about lots of competing private systems?
[QUOTE=Xakoro;42255554]What about lots of competing private systems?[/QUOTE]
What [I]about[/I] lots of competing private systems?
What does that change?
Hopefully it passes the senate. We don't need this, and we can't afford this. Not only that, it's just going to lower hours. If a company has 50 or more full time works(Obamacare classifies full time as 30 hours), they have to pay for Obamacare for their employees. Well, a lot of companies will only reduce hours to 29/week and hire more workers.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;42255583]What [I]about[/I] lots of competing private systems?
What does that change?[/QUOTE]
In theory it allows for competition, competition = better service and innovation. True in most fields, but the other side will argue (and bring up huge private costs as an example) monopolies will form and companies will work together (likely with the aid of lobbying and government cronyism) to fix prices. Issue is highly contested.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;42255583]What [I]about[/I] lots of competing private systems?
What does that change?[/QUOTE]
Competition tends to bring about an increase in product quality and value. I'm wondering if that can apply to healthcare.
[QUOTE=LoganIsAwesome;42255226]Is it not good enough of a pun for you[/QUOTE]
didn't someone get banned for using Obongo?
[QUOTE=Xakoro;42255554]What about lots of competing private systems?[/QUOTE]
Usually makes price fixing deals in order to maximize profits (surprise surprise)
Would be more cost efficient to have a public system since it's [B]BOUND [/B]to happen.
Healthcare isn't something that should be treated as something that shareholders or a board of directors can spin gold with.
Isn't Romneycare a more accurate name for it
[QUOTE=Van-man;42255687]Usually makes price fixing deals in order to maximize profits (surprise surprise)
Would be more cost efficient to have a public system since it's [B]BOUND [/B]to happen.[/QUOTE]
Why don't we have extensively tough anti price-fixing laws?
About time!
[QUOTE=Zeke129;42255707]Isn't Romneycare a more accurate name for it[/QUOTE]
Yes he was the first to implement an almost identical system in Massachusetts in 2006. The Affordable Care Act is based off his system.
[QUOTE=Explosions;42255770]Yes he was the first to implement an almost identical system in Massachusetts in 2006. The Affordable Care Act is based off his system.[/QUOTE]
Where was the outrage there
obamacare is so ill conceived the only reason the dems support it is because a dem had the idea. I'm glad the gop won't drop the subject
with healthcare it's all or nothing. If they want to make healthcare more accessible they need to open competition between state lines or do it proper euro style, not do some half-assed pseudo-socialized garbage that makes you pay for healthcare and punishes those who don't want it.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;42255790]Where was the outrage there[/QUOTE]
The entire purpose of the federal system is for states to do whatever the hell they want and people can move if they don't like it. Obviously the people in Massachusetts liked it, but that doesn't mean the people in Taxes would also like it.
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