• Local workers fired after not going to work on ‘A Day Without Immigrants’
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[quote] Restaurants and day cares were among the businesses in states like Florida, Tennessee, Oklahoma and New York where bosses fired workers after they didn't show up for work in order to protest. In Nolensville, Tennessee, nearly 20 employees at Bradley Coatings, Incorporated — a commercial painting company — were laid off after participating in the nationwide strike on Thursday, NBC4 reported. The company's attorney, Robert Peal, said in a statement obtained by the news station that all employees were told they risked termination if they skipped work on Thursday, but 18 did so anyway. The attorney wrote: "Regretfully, and consistent with its prior communication to all its employees, BCI had no choice but to terminate these individuals. The reason these employees missed work — to engage in peaceful demonstrations — had nothing to do with BCI's decision to terminate them." That same day in Florida, several staff members at Grace Community School in Bonita Springs told NBC2 they planned participate in Thursday's protest. Two employees claimed they were fired as a result, though the head of the school insists no one was terminated. Asked by a reporter why the cause was important, Brenda Botello, who quit on Friday because she was afraid of being fired, said: "Because we are Mexicans... We need to find another job." At Ben's Kosher Delicatessen Restaurant & Caterers in Long Island, New York, 25 workers were fired Friday when they returned to work, according to Telemundo 47. Police escorted the workers from the restaurant — most of whom were undocumented and have worked there for years. Some social media users are calling on others to boycott the small businesses and restaurants that fired immigrant workers. Local news outlets also reported that 21 employees were fired at a boat manufacturing company in South Carolina, 12 workers at an Oklahoma restaurant and 30 masonry workers in Denver. The Oklahoma restaurant I Don't Care Bar and Grill has already published a job posting looking to replace the fired cooks, NBC12 reported.[/quote] [url]http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/employees-across-u-s-fired-after-joining-day-without-immigrants-n722991[/url] A whole bunch of articles on this topic from across the country: [url]http://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article133612984.html[/url] [url]http://abc7.com/business/okla-workers-fired-for-no-show-on-day-without-immigrants/1762900/[/url] [url]http://www.khou.com/news/nation-now/21-people-fired-after-taking-part-in-a-day-without-immigrants/409550478[/url] [url]http://kdvr.com/2017/02/18/local-workers-fired-for-taking-park-in-a-day-without-immigrants/[/url] [url]http://www.newschannel5.com/news/18-people-fired-after-participating-in-a-day-without-immigrants[/url]
Generally, if you want to keep a job, you show up to it. If you want off to protest, ask for the day off. Schedule it so it's accounted for. Of course there are going to be repercussions for just not coming in to work when you're on schedule. "I was protesting" is up there with shit reasons to miss a day of work that you were supposed to come in.
Dunno why anybody is suprised by this, they basically refused to go to work even if they said they'd 'make up for it on sunday' the employer said no which means you still have to work. If I can't get a day off and I refuse to show up to work do you know what happens? I lose my job. Tudd's quoted article convienently leaves out the company's full statement: [QUOTE] Bradley Coatings, Inc.'s attorney released the following statement: "Bradley Coatings, Incorporated (BCI) is a family-owned, Nashville-based business that provides commercial painting services to its clients on a very demanding schedule. Established in 1986, BCI has always celebrated diversity and supported the immigrant community. [B]This past Wednesday night, certain employees of BCI informed their leadership that they would not be at work the following day. Because of the time-sensitive nature of the jobs these employees were assigned to, all employees were told that they would need to show up for work or they would be terminated. On Thursday, the majority of BCI’s employees fulfilled their obligations to our clients, but eighteen employees did not. [/B] Regretfully, and consistent with its prior communication to all its employees, BCI had no choice but to terminate these individuals. The reason these employees missed work—to engage in peaceful demonstrations—had nothing to do with BCI’s decision to terminate them. BCI regrets this situation, but it has contracted with its clients to complete work on a schedule set by the client’s general contractor. BCI will review its procedures in an effort to avoid similar issues in the future, and will continue to provide timely service to its clients and support to the Nashville immigrant community." - Robert Peal, Company Attorney [/QUOTE]
That's pretty shitty.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;51847788]Generally, if you want to keep a job, you show up to it. If you want off to protest, ask for the day off. Schedule it so it's accounted for. Of course there are going to be repercussions for just not coming in to work when you're on schedule. "I was protesting" is up there with shit reasons to miss a day of work that you were supposed to come in.[/QUOTE] But not showing up to work, [I]is[/I] the protest. It's a strike meant to showcase what it'd be like if immigrants people so hate weren't here. If they all scheduled for the day off, then that wouldn't be a strike or a protest, that would be an organized day off.
And now the company has to go through the trouble of hiring 18 more new people, so in reality they kind of fucked themselves by firing them.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;51847911]But not showing up to work, [I]is[/I] the protest. It's a strike meant to showcase what it'd be like if immigrants people so hate weren't here. If they all scheduled for the day off, then that wouldn't be a strike or a protest, that would be an organized day off.[/QUOTE] That doesn't really change anything. That's honestly worse, calling out and fucking over the people who they work for, and their clients to, well, raise awareness, I guess. If they're willing to do that, it was probably a good idea to give them the boot. If you want a job, you need to show up for the job. Don't expect to have one if you just skip a day for dumb reasons.
[QUOTE=Ta16;51847805]Dunno why anybody is suprised by this, they basically refused to go to work even if they said they'd 'make up for it on sunday' the employer said no which means you still have to work. If I can't get a day off and I refuse to show up to work do you know what happens? I lose my job. Tudd's quoted article convienently leaves out the company's full statement:[/QUOTE] I can't include the whole article is what happened.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51847900]That's pretty shitty.[/QUOTE] It was pretty shitty to just dip out on a day they were supposed to come in, yeah.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;51847911]But not showing up to work, [I]is[/I] the protest. It's a strike meant to showcase what it'd be like if immigrants people so hate weren't here. If they all scheduled for the day off, then that wouldn't be a strike or a protest, that would be an organized day off.[/QUOTE] who gives a shit? you don't get free reign to do whatever you want just because it's a "protest"
[QUOTE=evilweazel;51847929]That doesn't really change anything. That's honestly worse, calling out and fucking over the people who they work for, and their clients to, well, raise awareness, I guess. If they're willing to do that, it was probably a good idea to give them the boot. If you want a job, you need to show up for the job. Don't expect to have one if you just skip a day for dumb reasons.[/QUOTE] A. Protesting isn't supposed to be convenient. It's supposed to disrupt the status quo in a peaceful way to draw attention to the cause. B. federally sponsored xenophobia and discrimination that effects hundreds of thousands of people is a "dumb reason" now? Is having a deathly ill family member dying in hospital a "dumb reason" to miss work too since it doesn't effect [I]your[/I] physical capability to do work? We as a species sorta have this thing called empathy and it'd be pretty great if you could engage it for a minute to think about the situation in a little more human capacity. [QUOTE=Bazsil;51847944]who gives a shit? you don't get free reign to do whatever you want just because it's a "protest"[/QUOTE] This is the kind of thing that should be said about violent protestors, not peaceful protestors, but okay dude, all those damn lazy peons best not step out of line or hold beliefs about things contrary to mine or they'll be on the streets polishing shoes for pennies. nyah ~twirls moustache
mass strikes and unionization of workers is how we got higher wages and better conditions. Action isn't a bad notion
[QUOTE=Bazsil;51847944]who gives a shit? you don't get free reign to do whatever you want just because it's a "protest"[/QUOTE] Fuck the rights of the worker I guess.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51847932]I can't include the whole article is what happened.[/QUOTE] No, I mean the article you had quoted never had the whole thing just quoted bits of it, not your fault.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51847959]Fuck the rights of the worker I guess.[/QUOTE] If the company warns you that you'll be terminated for not showing up don't be surprised if you get terminated for not showing up
[QUOTE=Valdor;51847968]If the company warns you that you'll be terminated for not showing up don't be surprised if you get terminated for not showing up[/QUOTE] Like I said, fuck the rights of the worker.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51847971]Like I said, fuck the rights of the worker.[/QUOTE] Since when is it a worker's right to decide to just not go to work without repercussions
It's an unfortunate reality of this day and age that companies don't want their workers not showing up in order to protest. It was something they should have absolutely expected, though I don't blame them for joining the protest in the first place. Hopefully they can all find new jobs.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;51847788]Generally, if you want to keep a job, you show up to it. If you want off to protest, ask for the day off. Schedule it so it's accounted for. Of course there are going to be repercussions for just not coming in to work when you're on schedule. "I was protesting" is up there with shit reasons to miss a day of work that you were supposed to come in.[/QUOTE] You have a right to protest and go on a strike specially if it's been called by a union, what kind of country wouldn't allow that?, you shouldn't be fired for going on a strike.
I feel like there's a fundamental disagreement of what a protest actually [I]is.[/I] Where half of the people want to protest in ways that actually get attention, and then the other half is like "You can only protest if it's easily ignored and isn't inconvenient for anyone anywhere" and then there's a lot of people that think protesting at all is just stupid
[QUOTE=Valdor;51847977]Since when is it a worker's right to decide to just not go to work without repercussions[/QUOTE] Freedom of assembly and right to protest. The precedent is here for this as well. Workplace strikes, especially union strikes specifically. This isn't "just not going to work" lol. The National Labor Relations Act applies to non-unionised workers too. Section 7 specifically speaks of "the right to self-organization, to form, join, or assist labor organizations, to bargain collectively through representatives of their own choosing, and to engage in other concerted activities for the purpose of collective bargaining or other mutual aid or protection." These rights are not dependent on being in an official union or a union at all.
[QUOTE=eirexe;51847986]You have a right to protest and go on a strike specially if it's been called by a union, what kind of country wouldn't allow that?, you shouldn't be fired for going on a strike.[/QUOTE] Hey so since that last thread fizzled out, how would a society peacefully transition into a state of whatever your brand of communism is?
[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;51847990]Freedom of assembly and right to protest. The precedent is here for this as well. Workplace strikes, especially union strikes specifically.[/QUOTE] Rights of a citizen, not an employee. Successful strikes were ones that were able to disrupt the company, however those workers still faced the risk of losing their jobs (and many did). Unions are great for helping facilitate strikes, but if you don't have one protecting your ass and you're only part of a handful of employees protesting don't be surprised if you get fired after ignoring the company's warning
[QUOTE=IFawDown;51847994]Hey so since that last thread fizzled out, how would a society peacefully transition into a state of whatever your brand of communism is?[/QUOTE] Why is this relevant to this thread?
[QUOTE=eirexe;51848001]Why is this relevant to this thread?[/QUOTE] It isnt, but it wasnt relevant to the last thread either
[QUOTE=IFawDown;51848002]It isnt, but it wasnt relevant to the last thread either[/QUOTE] Then stop bringing it up in threads where it's irrelevant. If you want to know, PM him.
[QUOTE=Valdor;51848000]Rights of a citizen, not an employee. Successful strikes are ones that are able to disrupt the company, however those workers faced the risk of losing their jobs (and many did). Unions are great for that, but if you don't have one protecting your ass and you're only part of a handful of employees protesting don't be surprised if you get fired after ignoring the company's warning[/QUOTE] Actually, losing your job for strikes or protests is illegal as per the National Labor Relations Act. The National Labor Relations Act applies to non-unionised workers too. Section 7 specifically speaks of "the right to self-organization, to form, join, or assist labor organizations, to bargain collectively through representatives of their own choosing, and to engage in other concerted activities for the purpose of collective bargaining or other mutual aid or protection." These rights are not dependent on being in an official union or a union at all. These employees could be technically seen as self-organising to join/assist other labour organisations/workers in a protest/strike against the recent actions and xenophobic sentiment against immigrant workers. In fact there is more precedent for this type of thing as in 2013 Geoffrey Carter, Administrative Law Judge for the National Labor Relations Board ruled in favour of Walmart employees who were disciplined or fired for missing work in order to join protests against Walmart working conditions. because this protest was held over collective worker's rights and not an intermittent work stoppage (which is what just not showing up to work would be) it's covered by the NLRA. If this goes to a court, which tbh I'd be taking my employer to court if I were these people, it has precedent to back it up.
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;51847917]And now the company has to go through the trouble of hiring 18 more new people, so in reality they kind of fucked themselves by firing them.[/QUOTE] Head to the local big lots parking lot and hire some day workers
[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;51848011]Actually, losing your job for strikes or protests is illegal as per the National Labor Relations Act. The National Labor Relations Act applies to non-unionised workers too. Section 7 specifically speaks of "the right to self-organization, to form, join, or assist labor organizations, to bargain collectively through representatives of their own choosing, and to engage in other concerted activities for the purpose of collective bargaining or other mutual aid or protection." These rights are not dependent on being in an official union or a union at all. These employees could be technically seen as self-organising to join/assist other labour organisations/workers in a protest/strike against the recent actions and xenophobic sentiment against immigrant workers. In fact there is more precedent for this type of thing as in 2013 Geoffrey Carter, Administrative L aw Judge for the National Labor Relations Board ruled in favour of Walmart employees who were disciplined or fired for missing work in order to join protests against Walmart working conditions. because this protest was held over collective worker's rights and not an intermittent work stoppage it's covered by the NLRA. If this goes to a court it has precedent to back it up.[/QUOTE] Huh, didn't know that. Wish this section had more of the fun ratings than just boring stars, guess we'll see how this fairs in court. I'd say I'm surprised the union I use to be a part of left this out when telling us our rights, but they were always pretty scummy too
[QUOTE=Valdor;51848025]Huh, didn't know that. Wish this section had more of the fun ratings than just boring stars, guess we'll see how this fairs in court[/QUOTE] If the immigrants were illegal, they have no rights.
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