Mexico declares all-out war after drug cartel shoots down Army helicopter
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[quote]Mexico has declared an all-out offensive against the relatively new drug cartel which shot down an army helicopter during a weekend of coordinated attacks across the western state of Jalisco which prompted fresh concerns over the latest escalation of the country’s drug wars.
Six soldiers were killed when gunmen from the New Generation Jalisco Cartel used a rocket-propelled grenade to bring down an army helicopter that was pursuing a cartel convoy on Friday, the national security commissioner, Monte Alejandro Rubido, told Televisa.
At least 15 other people were killed and 19 injured in a coordinated show of strength by the cartel which included several shootouts with soldiers and police, and involved hundreds of low-level operatives who set up roadblocks with burning cars, buses and trucks in Jalisco and three neighbouring states. Eleven banks and five petrol stations were also set ablaze.
“The full force of the Mexican state will be felt in the state of Jalisco,” Rubido said on Monday. “Satisfactory results will start to be seen very soon.”[/quote]
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/04/mexico-declares-war-rising-drug-cartel-downs-military-helicopter[/url]
holy shit
You know there is something wrong when the drug cartels have weaponry comparable to insurgents.
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;47666859]You know there is something wrong when the drug cartels have weaponry comparable to insurgents.[/QUOTE]
And probably more money.
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;47666859]You know there is something wrong when the drug cartels have weaponry comparable to insurgents.[/QUOTE]
I guess the Chechens actually gave Mexico some weapons.
Looking forward to this civil war in Mexico. About damn time the country puts its foot down.
Now they just need to rid their military and police forces of the cartel members
Wouldn't more legalized drugs help this situation?
I don't think the cartel were expecting this.
[QUOTE=Hat-Wearing Man;47666893]I guess the Chechens actually gave Mexico some weapons.[/QUOTE]
actually about 70% of arms smuggled into Mexico by cartels originate in the US
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47666933]Wouldn't more legalized drugs help this situation?[/QUOTE]
I think you've missed the point. They're killing people, not smoking a spliff. They're trading far more than just drugs.
[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;47666942]I think you've missed the point. They're killing people, not smoking a spliff.[/QUOTE]
DRUG cartels... where do you think they get their money?
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47666948]DRUG cartels... where do you think they get their money?[/QUOTE]
This: [url]http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/3/17/drug-traffickingasmallpartofmexicancartelsincome.html[/url] They're only called drug cartels because that used to be their main business. It's not neccessarily the correct term to use.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47666948]DRUG cartels... where do you think they get their money?[/QUOTE]More than just drugs. Weapons smuggling, human trafficking, drugs are just a piece of the puzzle.
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[editline]5th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47666933]Wouldn't more legalized drugs [B]help[/B] this situation?[/QUOTE]
Illegal mining and logging, gunrunning, human trafficking, protection rackets. But legalize all drugs and somehow it all goes away?
[QUOTE=ColdAsRice;47666968]Illegal mining and logging, gunrunning, human trafficking, protection rackets. But legalize all drugs and somehow it all goes away?[/QUOTE]
not at all what i said
[QUOTE=ColdAsRice;47666968]Illegal mining and logging, gunrunning, human trafficking, protection rackets. But legalize all drugs and somehow it all goes away?[/QUOTE]
Obviously we legalize all that too, duh
[sp]Just to be safe, I'm kidding[/sp]
[QUOTE=ColdAsRice;47666968]Illegal mining and logging, gunrunning, human trafficking, protection rackets. But legalize all drugs and somehow it all goes away?[/QUOTE]
No of course not, and there lies problems in legalization. However, it certainly would hurt the cartels a whole lot. People will always be buying drugs, it's their most steady cash flow.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47666963]Wouldn't more legalized drugs help this situation?[/QUOTE]
And the answer is no.
[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;47666985]And the answer is no.[/QUOTE]
removing part of their income, however small wouldn't help at all?
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47666986]removing part of their income, however small wouldn't help at all?[/QUOTE]
They make enough to buy tons of guns of all sorts, explosives, fucking military hardware. Do you really think it would do anything at this point?
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47666992]They make enough to buy tons of guns of all sorts, explosives, fucking military hardware. Do you really think it would do anything at this point?[/QUOTE]
wouldn't them making less money be better?
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47666986]removing part of their income, however small wouldn't help at all?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, because poking a pissed off bear with a stick won't get you bitten.
Now when they say they used a rocket propelled grenade, do they mean a generic rocket, or are we talking a straight up MANPAD launcher?
If the cartels have that kind of hardware, something is very wrong indeed.
[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;47666999]Yeah, because poking a pissed off bear with a stick won't get you bitten.[/QUOTE]
they're declaring all out war...
How can anybody be deluded enough to think that allowing people to smoke pot is going to be anything but a minor nuisance at most for the cartels in Mexico?
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47666986]removing part of their income, however small wouldn't help at all?[/QUOTE]
Would it remove the income though? I doubt the cartels would give up their multi-billion dollar drugs empires so easily - I'd also imagine they'd be able to undercut legitimate shops and drive them out of business
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47666997]wouldn't them making less money be better?[/QUOTE]
Would it actually effect them at all, though, is what I'm saying. They make tons off of plenty of other things, and anyone who signed a bill legalizing drugs would probably be kidnapped and have their head sawn off and their corpse strung up in the streets.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47666933]Wouldn't more legalized drugs help this situation?[/QUOTE]
No, because then you'd be taking one of the cartels ways of making money. Though there would still be human trafficking, arms trading, and other shady dealings they could do. Hell I even heard of the Los Zeta's mining coal and selling it on the black market.
Wouldn't legalizing human trafficking [B]help[/B] this situation?
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47667004]they're declaring all out war...[/QUOTE]
Yeah, as opposed to making drugs legal. I think declaring war rather than legalising drugs is a much better solution because you're actually tackling the root of the problem, not dulling the effects.
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