• Humanistic values and logical thinking
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Few quick notes prior to main part of the post: Not a debate. Instead of "Moral values", I have replaced it with "humanistic values", as it is not meant to be a conversation against or for these people's beliefs, but rather the conflict between them. So I recently stumbled upon a guy who's called Rob Rhinehart who invented...soylent. [url]http://www.vice.com/read/rob-rhinehart-interview-soylent-never-eat-again[/url] From a purely logical perspective, it seems it's a god-send. But if you read some of the reactions to his creation, you'll notice people who tend to put away logical thinking and have a deep mistrust of modern engineering and scientific methods. [url]http://www.returnofkings.com/11247/why-rob-rhinehart-is-an-idiot[/url] Fundamentally, it highlights the divide between traditional humanistic values and logical thinking. In layman's terms, democrats and republicans; political left and right; and so forth. As someone who enjoys thinking outside the box, I'm wondering if there is a [b]solution[/b] (that is not a compromise) that can mend the divide between traditionalists and logical thinkers that will reduce this seemingly insane divide. An example of a solution: improved education to reduce fear of technology. Unfortunately this is opposed by many people with the argument of, "free choice should include the choice of embracing and rejecting technology". Food for thought, Angus
basically all i got from the article against him is that rob is a beta nerd and we shouldn't interact with nerds
Honestly I think if you operate on logical thinking alone you will have no faith in anything but yourself because logically nobody knows you better than yourself. The only fine divide is a neutral stance on everything but that's not an opinion anymore that's just annoying
Logical thought can only get you so far before its explanations fail to grasp the meaning behind processes and events. No-one in their right mind would reduce the vastness of their mind and memory to the electrical impulses between neurons that scientifically, logically they are. I don't see why then that the fear or mistrust of technology is necessarily an issue that must be solved because of some logical thought that deigns it illogical
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;41768387]No-one in their right mind would reduce the vastness of their mind and memory to the electrical impulses between neurons[/QUOTE] Well I do and that's how I see my brain. Sort of like a very complex machine.
What of the personal meanings associated with mind and memory? Are they just electrical impulses?
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;41768708]What of the personal meanings associated with mind and memory? Are they just electrical impulses?[/QUOTE] More or less.
Where is meaning found (just as a general question)
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;41768387]mind and memory to the electrical impulses between neurons that scientifically, logically they are. [/QUOTE] The mind actually exists between brain and environment. It's the process of how the brain reacts to the environment.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;41768772]Where is meaning found (just as a general question)[/QUOTE] Does there have to be meaning?
[QUOTE=Levithan;41769537]Does there have to be meaning?[/QUOTE] If there is no meaning to something, there is no need for it to exist.
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we people talk about logic like we use it, but at the same time we are victim to constant subtle influence in form of marketing and spinning news stories in an attempt to cause emotional response instead and most of the times succeeding. first comes emotion, then comes personal rationalisation which makes the message seem thought up by yourself edit: also alot of times people who tell they are logical on the internet are just actually tryhard nerds
the "pure logic" mindset is so hilariously misguided and 99% of the people who think that they are "purely logical" are really just appealing to their own emotions and wanting to seem superior and different than others. Emotion is an inevitability. It's part of humanity. While raw logic can produce the most accurate answer, that means jack shit in a life-or-death situation. Humans don't have the mental architecture to weigh the pros and cons of certain complicated actions while under stress. Logic and statistical analysis are not very applicable on a day-to-day basis. Decisions need to be made, and an excessive focus on logical thinking will make every decision an arduous process of rigorous analysis. Should I go to work today? Well, let's weigh the possibilities. If I don't go, there's a chance I'll lose my job, etc, etc. If I call in sick, this that that this, several trillion possibly futures that are impossible to analyze anywhere near remotely accurately. Excessive logical thinking is just as bad as excessive emotional thinking. One promotes huge waves of anxiety and one promotes huge waves of depression. Just think like a goddamn human being and not a computer and you won't have many problems. I can't help but roll my eyes when people suggest that raw logical thought is the only proper way of thinking. Sure, by all current scientific evidence, free will does not exist and any belief beyond inherent cynical fatalism is a logical falsehood, but so fucking what? I'd rather be able to enjoy life with the illusion of free will and spiritual thought than to spend my time an anxious wreck thinking I'm the best human ever while acting like an emotionless android constantly analyzing every stray possibility and opportunity. It doesn't matter where meaning or purpose comes from. Some people are divinely inspired and find meaning through that. Some people are dedicated to their work and find meaning in that. Meaning is something that people create in their minds in order to live their lives. Sure, maybe there isn't any actual meaning to the world, but does that mean that you should waste away in your bed, agonizing over the inevitable future (since free will is nonexistent) and thinking that meaning is a nonexistent figment of electrical impulses in the brain that have been destined to happen since the beginning of the universe? Fuck no, you're a pathetic fuck, get off your ass and do some cool shit. Fuck excessively logical people, they don't live and they only do it to appeal to their emotional need to feel superior to others despite their crippling anxiety and mentally unhealthy systems of belief. They're hypocritical to the bone, since emotion is going to happen no matter how ~logical~ you tout yourself to be. Sorry, I know too many annoying cynical fucks like this that think simplifying life to the scientific minimum excuses them from living their lives. No, the entropy of the universe does not mean that everything you do is useless and it doesn't give you a free pass to spend all day playing World of Warcraft and jacking off, go step out of your mom's basement and do something with your life while you have it you angsty little cunt.
To me, it's just very simple. The closer and more personal the subject is you're looking at, the more emotional you can treat it. The further distant and secluded the object is, the more you can lean on the logic side of things. Being afraid of getting into air planes is something logic can work away after a while. Being afraid of people is something emotion erodes as you get to know them better. Incidentally, whether you are on the right/left or liberal/conservative scale of things has less to do with emotion versus logic, but rather which objects are the centre of attention of your logic and/or emotion. A conservative has a lot of emotion concerning, for example, sex (think of the children!) whereas a liberal might have a lot more emotion towards distant strangers (we can't just let these people live in squalor!) [QUOTE=.Isak.;41770734]the "pure logic" mindset is so hilariously misguided and 99% of the people who think that they are "purely logical" are really just appealing to their own emotions and wanting to seem superior and different than others.[/QUOTE] Jup, being 100% rational isn't a sign of intelligence, it's a sign of being a boring fuck. Intelligent persons possess conversational skills and empathy as well.
Humanism has nothing to do with being afraid/untrusting of technologic advancement.
[QUOTE=deltasquid;41772604]Intelligent persons possess conversational skills and empathy as well.[/QUOTE] You can be intelligent in a billion ways. There isn't a guide on how-to-be or how-to-act, whether you're intelligent or not, you're still a human and still have unique expressions of your thoughts and whatnot. [editline]9th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=KmartSqrl;41775039]Humanism has nothing to do with being afraid/untrusting of technologic advancement.[/QUOTE] But you can be damn sure it's a very fancy word for a thread title.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;41770734] No, the entropy of the universe does not mean that everything you do is useless and it doesn't give you a free pass to spend all day playing World of Warcraft and jacking off, go step out of your mom's basement and do something with your life while you have it you angsty little cunt.[/QUOTE] I'm glad somebody worded this properly. I almost want to buy the rights to these paragraphs.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;41770734]-speech-[/QUOTE] Fucking hell which mathematician pissed you off?
Its not being afraid of advancement its calling a spade a fucking spade What Rob is doing is [B]not new[/B]. Its promoting jettisoning traditional cooking in favor of pre-packaged mass production nutrition. He was just the first to push the idea onto the kickstarter market in a manner that appeals to geeks. So okay, you want to pretend to be a logical (and at the same time, infer in that very sentence that you are superior to these lesser emotional beings), so I'll present you with some logic: How could you accurately conclude that soylent is a superior method of food consumption for everyone when the mounds of data from years of prior research in the fields of medicine, nutritional and sports science have shown that no single dietary breakdown is more superior in application for everyone? The fact that whey protein is used alone should tell you how much research rob did in marketing this as a superior food, it immediately eliminates anyone who is severely dairy sensitive from consuming it. Oat starches, woops there goes the rest of the day of the person suffering from Celiac disease. What if my diet calls for more fats, what if my dietary needs call for a specific set of fats, what If I need less or more carbohydrates, a different kind of carbohydrates, what if i need more protein, what if i cant tolerate dairy proteins, etc what if i just dont like eating a substance that looks and probably tastes like fat that got liposuctioned out of marlon brando's ass? Please there's nothing advancing about this, the meal replacement fad has existed literally since the early 80s. [editline]19th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=.Isak.;41770734] No, the entropy of the universe does not mean that everything you do is useless and it doesn't give you a free pass to spend all day playing World of Warcraft and jacking off, go step out of your mom's basement and do something with your life while you have it you angsty little cunt.[/QUOTE] This is almost perfect
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