• U.S Is Leaving 1000 Troops In Jordan After Training Exercises End To Provide "Security"
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[IMG]http://media.mcclatchydc.com/smedia/2013/06/17/17/56/Icr4G.WiPh2.91.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]U.S. Marines and Jordanian military soldiers prepare explosives in a demolition military act during Eager Lion military exercises in Jordan.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]WASHINGTON — In a sign of deepening U.S. involvement in the Syrian crisis, the United States is leaving 700 combat-equipped American military personnel in Jordan following the end of a joint U.S.-Jordanian training exercise, President Barack Obama told Congress Friday. The decision brings to about 1,000 the number of U.S. troops now deployed in Jordan. It came a week after the White House announced that the United States would begin providing light arms to Syrian rebels fighting the regime of President Bashar Assad. Obama said the troops would remain in Jordan to help provide that country with security, but he did not say specifically what they would be doing. “The detachment will remain in Jordan, in full coordination with the government of Jordan, until the security situation becomes such that it is no longer needed,” Obama wrote. “The deployment of this detachment has been directed in furtherance of U.S. national security and foreign policy interests, including the important national interests in supporting the security of Jordan and promoting regional stability.” [/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/06/21/194636/us-to-leave-700-troops-in-jordan.html[/URL]
Are you fucking kidding me?! Yeah, screw it, we are now responsible for EVERYONE.
I wonder if the guys who were out there actually had a say in this
[QUOTE=kaze4159;41137229]I wonder if the guys who were out there actually had a say in this[/QUOTE] Why would a military have units questioning orders.
Are you sure you guys can afford to have troops in stable countries with no real threats to their own security?
Pretty shitty feeling to learn that you're now deployed in Jordan at the last minute.
[QUOTE=kaze4159;41137229]I wonder if the guys who were out there actually had a say in this[/QUOTE] I don't think you realize how military works. No military force, at any time in history, has asked it's troops if they're ok with the orders they're given.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;41137370]I don't think you realize how military works. No military force, at any time in history, has asked it's troops if they're ok with the orders they're given.[/QUOTE] Up until the troops refuse any orders given to them.
just an FYI 1 battalion of marines isn't shit [editline]22nd June 2013[/editline] like this is hardly a deployment of true capability or force its literally just a battalion of marines
[QUOTE=Lolx0rz;41137531]Up until the troops refuse any orders given to them.[/QUOTE] Which they are then tried under the Uniform Code of Military Justice for insubordination, a very serious crime in the military, and are reduced in rank to the lowest it can go, possible imprisonment, and they will be kicked out. No professional military force can operate if it's members can just outright refuse to obey orders. Granted, military personnel have a duty to disobey [I]unlawful[/I] orders, but this is hardly unlawful. So no, they would not do that.
[QUOTE=Lolx0rz;41137531]Up until the troops refuse any orders given to them.[/QUOTE] The system is set up so that almost never happens.
honestly i think we need to have a bunch of units just under go full on mutiny and have the us military leadership be changed drastically but thats just me [editline]22nd June 2013[/editline] this thread and article is like the most hardcore sensationalist shit ever like 1 battalion of marines is hardly news worthy - our military cycles entire units through jordan all the time, our SF train heavily with theirs, etc etc etc
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;41137212]Are you fucking kidding me?! Yeah, screw it, we are now responsible for EVERYONE.[/QUOTE] Another zenreon gem ladies and gentlemen
also the article specifically saids "700 combat troops", then goes on to say "about 1000" which results in the OP saying that it is 1000 combat troops rip
imo the notion of not questioning orders just perfectly shows how barbaric the concept of a military is. training people to not question and to only obey, rather than to educate and teach compassion and empathy is the reason we're still shooting each other.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;41137648]imo the notion of not questioning orders just perfectly shows how barbaric the concept of a military is. training people to not question and to only obey, rather than to educate and teach compassion and empathy is the reason we're still shooting each other.[/QUOTE] Ironic since armies were formed to stop 'barbarians.' Obeying superiors is one of the foundations of forming discipline, discipline is what keeps soldiers from running away from the first gunshot they hear. How could you instill discipline without obeying orders and questioning superiors all along the way.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;41137648]imo the notion of not questioning orders just perfectly shows how barbaric the concept of a military is. training people to not question and to only obey, rather than to educate and teach compassion and empathy is the reason we're still shooting each other.[/QUOTE] Its a fucking military not a woodstock festival idk lets roleplay you be tibet, ill be china
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;41137691]Ironic since armies were formed to stop 'barbarians.' Obeying superiors is one of the foundations of forming discipline, discipline is what keeps soldiers from running away from the first gunshot they hear. How could you instill discipline without obeying orders and questioning superiors all along the way.[/QUOTE]Also stops soldiers from running around raping and pillaging.
[QUOTE=Leon;41137555] its literally just a battalion of marines[/QUOTE] JUST a [b]battalion[/b] of Marines he says.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;41137648]imo the notion of not questioning orders just perfectly shows how barbaric the concept of a military is. training people to not question and to only obey, rather than to educate and teach compassion and empathy is the reason we're still shooting each other.[/QUOTE] If my sailors constantly questioned my orders I wouldn't get anything done. On the other hand, I allow people to ask "why" and if it's something pertinent for them to know, or not a big deal I'll tell them. I still expect them to do whatever I told them though. This is how you get stuff done my friend. Wait until you're in a leadership role yourself and you'll see.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;41137262]Are you sure you guys can afford to have troops in stable countries with no real threats to their own security?[/QUOTE] We have twice the number of military bases in other countries than we have states. Of course we can't
I wonder if they're to stop the Syrian war spilling into Jordan or to prevent a revolution in the kingdom.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_deployments[/url] this really isn't that significant to be honest
My best friend is a Marine deployed in Jordan, I wish he would come home.
Totally didn't see this coming. /sarcasm
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;41137370]I don't think you realize how military works. No military force, at any time in history, has asked it's troops if they're ok with the orders they're given.[/QUOTE] I don't know how much is this just glorified by media, but weren't there even in WWII moments of "This is most probably a suicide, so only volunteers are going"? Still obviously it's nothing like the case in OP, just saying that it's not as black and white as you said.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;41140671]I don't know how much is this just glorified by media, but weren't there even in WWII moments of "This is most probably a suicide, so only volunteers are going"?[/QUOTE] At that relates to strategic troop deployments how?
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41140705]At that relates to strategic troop deployments how?[/QUOTE] I am just strictly replying to: [quote]No military force, at any time in history, has asked it's troops if they're ok with the orders they're given.[/quote] which is then, wrong.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;41137691]Ironic since armies were formed to stop 'barbarians.' Obeying superiors is one of the foundations of forming discipline, discipline is what keeps soldiers from running away from the first gunshot they hear. How could you instill discipline without obeying orders and questioning superiors all along the way.[/QUOTE] the idea of a military is stupid is my point
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;41141402]I am just strictly replying to: which is then, wrong.[/QUOTE] If it's only taking volunteers they're not really being "ordered" per se to do it. And I'm reasonably sure it is a situation that is up-played by movies and the like.
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