• Bernie Sanders wins Colorado with big showing at state convention
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[QUOTE]Bernie Sanders scored a decisive victory Saturday in Colorado, taking a majority of the national delegates with a stronger-than-expected showing at a divided state Democratic convention. The Vermont senator captured 41 delegates from the state's 78-member delegation, inching him closer to front-runner Hillary Clinton in what the campaign suggested is a larger shift in the presidential race. The margin gives Sanders a clear hold on Colorado — enough to overcome Clinton's advantage among the state's dozen superdelegates.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.denverpost.com/election/ci_29775876/bernie-sanders-bests-hillary-clinton-at-colorado-democratic-convention"]Source[/URL]
Sanders seems to blow Clinton out of the water with these conventions. Seems like a hidden advantage of the enthusiasm from the grassroots nature of the campaign. I heard that sanders is now down 202 delegates.
[QUOTE=Aztec;50152249]Sanders seems to blow Clinton out of the water with these conventions. Seems like a hidden advantage of the enthusiasm from the grassroots nature of the campaign. I heard that sanders is now down 202 delegates.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/U9EBnpj.png[/IMG] only thing keeping hillary afloat at this point is super delegates which can flip at any time
I doubt they're gonna flip unless the FBI moves ahead with their indictment
[QUOTE=Wii60;50152255][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/U9EBnpj.png[/IMG] only thing keeping hillary afloat at this point is super delegates which can flip at any time[/QUOTE] and the media misrepresenting the delegates bernie put out an email today saying that clinton's huge polling lead for new york of 48% has dropped to only six percent within four weeks time... interesting
Imagine if he win the nomination as a result of Hillary's delegates deserting before their state convention.
[QUOTE=Saxon;50152275]I doubt they're gonna flip unless the FBI moves ahead with their indictment[/QUOTE] Bill Clinton is a super delegate and he said he would flip if Sanders earned more pledged delegates than Clinton. If that isn't an indicator of where the delegates will go then I don't know what is.
[QUOTE=Aztec;50152249]Sanders seems to blow Clinton out of the water with these conventions. Seems like a hidden advantage of the enthusiasm from the grassroots nature of the campaign. I heard that sanders is now down 202 delegates.[/QUOTE] He's only down [b]194[/b] delegates now according to the [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/clintons-delegate-lead-do_b_9711160.html]Huffington Post.[/url]
I'm keen for NY Tuesday, i feel it's going to be neck in neck for Clinton and Sanders the real winner is really whoever captures New York city, i think Sanders can do this but im not going to get myself hyped incase its a landslide loss
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;50152306]I'm keen for NY Tuesday, i feel it's going to be neck in neck for Clinton and Sanders the real winner is really whoever captures New York city, i think Sanders can do this but im not going to get myself hyped incase its a landslide loss[/QUOTE] The amount of booing that was coming out of that Brooklyn crowd during the last debate when Hillary was speaking leads me to believe he'll take the city. Maybe not the rural parts of the state, but I'm almost positive he's got Buffalo, and NYC.
Wish I could vote on Tuesday but I'm out of state.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;50152306]I'm keen for NY Tuesday, i feel it's going to be neck in neck for Clinton and Sanders the real winner is really whoever captures New York city, i think Sanders can do this but im not going to get myself hyped incase its a landslide loss[/QUOTE] it isn't necessarily the end if he only loses by a margin we've had doom and gloom over his campaign several times now with people saying he would be lost without winning states, that he did end up losing by margins
[QUOTE=bitches;50152286]and the media misrepresenting the delegates bernie put out an email today saying that clinton's huge polling lead for new york of 48% has dropped to only six percent within four weeks time... interesting[/QUOTE] Holy shit please please please tell me that 4% is accurate. I'd heard her lead had grown and I've been shitting my pants all weekend fretting the worst.
[QUOTE=Solomon;50152333]Holy shit please please please tell me that 4% is accurate. I'd heard her lead had grown and I've been shitting my pants all weekend fretting the worst.[/QUOTE] The fucking Debate, CNN heavily editing the debate after the fact, and Clinton's Fundraiser with George Clooney may have pissed of New Yorkers, plus the Pope vist, and Bernie following through with his taxes and Hillary not putting out a speech helped.
[QUOTE=ImimI;50152315]The amount of booing that was coming out of that Brooklyn crowd during the last debate when Hillary was speaking leads me to believe he'll take the city. Maybe not the rural parts of the state, but I'm almost positive he's got Buffalo, and NYC.[/QUOTE] Idk, the rural parts where factories have left toxic craters and struggling middle class families seem pretty much the target demographic for him, I was betting on the reverse, Hillary takes some of NYC but Bernie steals the rest of the state
[QUOTE=Sableye;50152392]Idk, the rural parts where factories have left toxic craters and struggling middle class families seem pretty much the target demographic for him, I was betting on the reverse, Hillary takes some of NYC but Bernie steals the rest of the state[/QUOTE] unfortunately rural areas are not known for voting in their best interests see for example, the southeastern US always voting republican except in major cities
He must crush Hillary in the Upstate, especially the 21st district, win Manhattan and Suffolk county. Hillary will be expected to take NYC boroughs.
From a Brooklyn POV there are simply way too many hipsters for Bernie to not win, not to mention the black and hispanic dominated areas like Bronx and Queens. Everyone I know at least is voting for Bernie, sans my trump supporting father
[QUOTE=KingKombat;50152442]From a Brooklyn POV there are simply way too many hipsters for Bernie to not win, not to mention the black and hispanic dominated areas like Bronx and Queens. Everyone I know at least is voting for Bernie, sans my trump supporting father[/QUOTE] I had heard that Hillary had the majority of the black vote due to Obama's implicit endorsement.
[QUOTE=KingKombat;50152442]From a Brooklyn POV there are simply way too many hipsters for Bernie to not win, not to mention the black and hispanic dominated areas like Bronx and Queens. Everyone I know at least is voting for Bernie, sans my trump supporting father[/QUOTE] Don't be so sure, this one is running directly against all of Bernie's strengths. 1) Closed primary that ended registration half a fucking year ago. 2) Primary instead of a caucus, which bernie tends to dominate 3) Bernie does worse in states that have large minority populations 4) Clinton's "home state" advantage 5) Endorsement from the Governor and Mayor of NY
[QUOTE=Aztec;50152481]Don't be so sure, this one is running directly against all of Bernie's strengths. 1) Closed primary that ended registration half a fucking year ago. 2) Primary instead of a caucus, which bernie tends to dominate 3) Bernie does worse in states that have large minority populations 4) Clinton's "home state" advantage 5) Endorsement from the Governor and Mayor of NY[/QUOTE] #3 pisses me off to no end bernie has always cared way more about minorities than clinton he got himself arrested protesting black/white segregation he would interrupt speakers in the senate who would offhandedly criticize homosexuals just to correct them, even when it was the unpopular opinion meanwhile hillary would talk about bringing race protesters 'into order' and pander to conservative democrats about religiously defined marriage and all hillary has to do to win the minority vote is [I]claim[/I] that she's always stood for minorities shit like this makes me wish you had to take a history test to vote
[QUOTE=bitches;50152513]#3 pisses me off to no end bernie has always cared way more about minorities than clinton he got himself arrested protesting black/white segregation he would interrupt speakers in the senate who would offhandedly criticize homosexuals just to correct them, even when it was the unpopular opinion meanwhile hillary would talk about bringing race protesters 'into order' and pander to conservative democrats about religiously defined marriage and all hillary has to do to win the minority vote is [I]claim[/I] that she's always stood for minorities shit like this makes me wish you had to take a history test to vote[/QUOTE] we have to bring those black youth super predators to heel. [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k4nmRZx9nc"](Hillary actually said shit like this)[/URL]
[QUOTE=bitches;50152513]#3 pisses me off to no end bernie has always cared way more about minorities than clinton he got himself arrested protesting black/white segregation he would interrupt speakers in the senate who would offhandedly criticize homosexuals just to correct them, even when it was the unpopular opinion meanwhile hillary would talk about bringing race protesters 'into order' and pander to conservative democrats about religiously defined marriage and all hillary has to do to win the minority vote is [I]claim[/I] that she's always stood for minorities shit like this makes me wish you had to take a history test to vote[/QUOTE] My family is Hispanic, and both of my parents voted for Clinton because of Bill.
[QUOTE=Aztec;50152481]Don't be so sure, this one is running directly against all of Bernie's strengths. 1) Closed primary that ended registration half a fucking year ago. 2) Primary instead of a caucus, which bernie tends to dominate 3) Bernie does worse in states that have large minority populations 4) Clinton's "home state" advantage 5) Endorsement from the Governor and Mayor of NY[/QUOTE] You forgot 6) Election fraud via unauthorized voter registration changes
If sanders loses NY even 49%-51% it would be EXTREMELY hard for him to get the nomination, he would have to have landslide victories in every other state especially PN and CA. If he just barely wins NY 51%-49% then it will be a very tight race, if it's a landslide victory for sanders in NY there is a good chance he could win the nomination - and even the presidency.
[QUOTE=Octopus2112;50152534]If sanders loses NY even 49%-51% it would be EXTREMELY hard for him to get the nomination, he would have to have landslide victories in every other state especially PN and CA. If he just barely wins NY 51%-49% then it will be a very tight race, if it's a landslide victory for sanders in NY there is a good chance he could win the nomination - and even the presidency.[/QUOTE] He's less than 200 delegates away, he could lose NY and still win the nomination
[QUOTE=Octopus2112;50152534]If sanders loses NY even 49%-51% it would be EXTREMELY hard for him to get the nomination, he would have to have landslide victories in every other state especially PN and CA. If he just barely wins NY 51%-49% then it will be a very tight race, if it's a landslide victory for sanders in NY there is a good chance he could win the nomination - and even the presidency.[/QUOTE] What exactly is the math on this, voiding superdelegates? How many delegates issued by the popular vote remain up for grabs?
[QUOTE=bitches;50152546]What exactly is the math on this, voiding superdelegates? How many delegates issued by the popular vote remain up for grabs?[/QUOTE] [url="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_delegate_count.html"]Plenty[/url]
[QUOTE=cody8295;50152542]He's less than 200 delegates away, he could lose NY and still win the nomination[/QUOTE] 200 delegates is still a lot considering the fact that there is no winner-take-all states in a democratic primary. Unfortunately for Bernie no polls expect him to have any landslide victories in the upcoming states and thats what he absolutely needs to win the nomination.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;50152575][url="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_delegate_count.html"]Plenty[/url][/QUOTE] That really doesn't look like plenty. His victories have been largely marginal. He needs big wins even ignoring superdelegates to catch up on a 200 delegate lead.
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