Extremist Christian Keyboard Warrior Encourages More Attacks on Planned Parenthood
50 replies, posted
[QUOTE]Popular Facebook evangelist Joshua Feuerstein calls on Christians to “punish Planned Parenthood” and make abortion providers fear for their life.
The obnoxious but popular Christian evangelist Joshua Feuerstein published the following video to his Facebook page on July 29:
[video=youtube;7YlDK_rT5XQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YlDK_rT5XQ[/video]
"Planned Parenthood has hunted down millions and millions of little innocent babies, stuck a knife into the uterus, cut them, pulled them out, crushed their skull with forceps, ripped their body apart, sold their tissue, and threw them bleeding into a trash bin.
I say, tonight, we punish Planned Parenthood. I think it’s time that abortion doctors should have to run and hide and be afraid for their life."
After a Christian terrorist shot and killed two civilians and a police officer and injured nine others at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs on Friday, Feuerstein removed the despicable call to violence from his Facebook page. [/quote]
[url]http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/11/evangelist-calls-on-christians-to-assassinate-abortion-providers/[/url]
A few days late, but this asshole seriously needs prison.
Stop giving this guy attention
Just like ISIS aren't real muslims, this guy isn't a real christian.
People like this fall into their own shared universal religion. It's derived from the ancient book of asshole.
It's called being an asshole. From what I've heard its supposed to be a sacred religion.
Isn't this considered encouraging terrorism?
Pretty sure thats a crime.
[quote] "Planned Parenthood has hunted down millions and millions of little innocent babies, stuck a knife into the uterus, cut them, pulled them out, crushed their skull with forceps, ripped their body apart, sold their tissue, and threw them bleeding into a trash bin."[/quote]
who buys this shit
[QUOTE=Saturn V;49228600]who buys this shit[/QUOTE]
You would be stunned how many people here do
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49228492]Stop giving this guy attention[/QUOTE]
This is a crime. He has millions of followers and he's saying "tonight be violent" etc. Also, old video but whatever
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49228579]Just like ISIS aren't real muslims, this guy isn't a real christian.
People like this fall into their own shared universal religion. It's derived from the ancient book of asshole.
It's called being an asshole. From what I've heard its supposed to be a sacred religion.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman[/url]
[QUOTE=da space core;49228623]You would be stunned how many people here do[/QUOTE]
Well to be fair you [I]are[/I] killing a living being in the process. It's just we don't consider them sentient enough to be seen as actual humans. I can understand people being concerned about how fetuses in advanced stages of development are treated, like I can understand people who are concerned about the treatment of chickens in battery farms. In both cases I don't believe it deserves our concern but depending on the extent at which you sacralize life you may think otherwise.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49228492]Stop giving this guy attention[/QUOTE]
I want to agree, but this is a borderline terror plot. Who knows how many more will die because of what this asshole said. I don't care if he's just like every other keyboard warrior (all talk) he needs to be brought to justice. From what I hear he posted it before the attacks, so he could very well already be responsible for deaths. and he doesn't care, because in his mind they are already murderers.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49228579]Just like ISIS aren't real muslims, this guy isn't a real christian.
People like this fall into their own shared universal religion. It's derived from the ancient book of asshole.
It's called being an asshole. From what I've heard its supposed to be a sacred religion.[/QUOTE]
ISIS simply made up the caliphate, jihad and sharia, right
Oh this guy. I remember my friend posted one of his videos right when gay marriage was legalized about how christians were going to be exterminated. I thought it was Kevin James at first but I realized it wasn't when I started laughing
[QUOTE=Megadave;49228717]I want to agree, but this is a borderline terror plot. Who knows how many more will die because of what this asshole said. I don't care if he's just like every other keyboard warrior (all talk) he needs to be brought to justice. From what I hear he posted it before the attacks, so he could very well already be responsible for deaths. and he doesn't care, because in his mind they are already murderers.[/QUOTE]
Sure, I'll rephrase then: report this guy and move on. Giving him attention is [I]exactly[/I] what he wants. He is given power through sensationalism - the more people are talking about him, the bigger the chance he'll reach the crazies. And you don't want that.
Also, this guy won't change his mind. I have a hypothesis that I've been pondering for a while that the way to kill a toxic ideology is think of everything as a spectrum - you can't tilt the spectrum to have everyone fall away from the extreme end, but you can wane the people who aren't too far into the extreme to change their views. Over time, you'll get most of the people to change just by "eating away around the core", and all you'll be left with are the extreme that will either adapt or die out.
I can see where the anti-abortion extremists are coming from, but they are putting too much value on fetuses. Fetuses are not human beings by law until the second trimester for a reason.
[QUOTE=_Axel;49228683]the extent at which you sacralize life[/QUOTE]
there really needs to be better words to describe the kind of person who finds a growth of cells more valuable/sacred than full grown people who lead lives and have families and are, you know, actually sentient creatures instead of the concept of what could eventually be one
anti-abortionists tend to get this really grotesque picture in their head of fully formed infants being exploded, despite the fact real, legal abortions happen long before you'd consider it anything more than a growth, and anything involving a more formed baby means the baby is already dead in the water or the mother will die from a complication without intervention. The visions of raw gore are enough to drive a lot of misinformed people into thinking that protesting or even acting on this stuff is stopping all of that horrific violence
I remember some people paid a pretty penny to abuse some special poster print deal we had at office max back in the day, and it turned out they just wanted to print a shitton of photos of weird baby gore and my boss threatened to fire me if I didn't stay after hours to take care of that shit
im marginally more concerned about these freaks than any refugee :v:
[QUOTE=Niklas;49228777]ISIS simply made up the caliphate, jihad and sharia, right[/QUOTE]
What???
I don't want to derail here but being muslim does not mean that you follow sharia law, are a jihadist and part of the caliphate.
That's just what that group of people subscribe to. There are 1.57 billion muslims in the world. The majority of them don't want to suicide bomb you. So I don't see what your argument is.
[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49228678][url]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman[/url][/QUOTE]
I can see how you think this is a fallacy from the simple context of the example in the link you posted, however I just don't think religion is as simple as sugar on your porridge. And I don't think I should have to explain why.
[QUOTE=dai;49228842]there really needs to be better words to describe the kind of person who finds a growth of cells more valuable/sacred than full grown people who lead lives and have families and are, you know, actually sentient creatures instead of the concept of what could eventually be one[/QUOTE]
not sure why people love fetuses so much, they are bloodsucking parasites that, given the opportunity, would consume all of the nutrients in their mother's body were it not for the womb.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49228865]I can see how you think this is a fallacy from the simple context of the example in the link you posted, however I just don't think religion is as simple as sugar on your porridge. And I don't think I should have to explain why.[/QUOTE]
How is it not a fallacy? I think you should absolutely explain why ISIS aren't real Muslims and this guy isn't a Christian.
[editline]2nd December 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49228867]not sure why people love fetuses so much, they are bloodsucking parasites that, given the opportunity, would consume all of the nutrients in their mother's body were it not for the womb.[/QUOTE]
Some of my best friends were fetuses!
The phrase "Christian terrorist" is not something I see too often.
To be clear about this guy's nominal Christianity: he is what's called a oneness pentecostal. This groups denies the trinity, and is into the whole speaking in crazy tongues all the time and such.
So, not surprisingly, a guy who calls for acts that go directly against the Bible also has shakey, weird theology.
[QUOTE=sgman91;49228966]To be clear about this guy's nominal Christianity: he is what's called a oneness pentecostal. This groups denies the trinity, and is into the whole speaking in crazy tongues all the time and such.
So, not surprisingly, a guy who calls for acts that go directly against the Bible also has shakey, weird theology.[/QUOTE]
This is why religion is stupid. It's man-made, generally has nothing to do with worshiping God, and is just full of politics. Having faith is a totally different story. I.E. Non-denom churches.
[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49228922]How is it not a fallacy? I think you should absolutely explain why ISIS aren't real Muslims and this guy isn't a Christian.
[/QUOTE]
This is a good explination for you.
[QUOTE=sgman91;49228966]To be clear about this guy's nominal Christianity: he is what's called a oneness pentecostal. This groups denies the trinity, and is into the whole speaking in crazy tongues all the time and such.
So, not surprisingly, a guy who calls for acts that go directly against the Bible also has shakey, weird theology.[/QUOTE]
Basically, When you do shit that goes directly against the teaching of the religion, it means that you are not following the religion.
Sharia law is not religion, the caliphate is not a religion, and jihad is not a religion. They are all made up extremely loosely based off of a disturbing depiction of a misread koran to benefit a group of disturbed people who only want to use religion to manipulate others. In other words, they aren't following the teachings of the koran.
Go read the bible and tell me where it is acceptable to murder people and then come back here and tell me this man is a real christian.
It's simply not black and white. Treating it as such is ignorant.
The reason why I mentioned that I shouldn't have to explain this is that anybody who doesn't have a chip on their shoulder about religion understands these fundamental facts.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49228999]This is a good explination for you.
Basically, When you do shit that goes directly against the teaching of the religion, it means that you are not following the religion.
Sharia law is not religion, the caliphate is not a religion, and jihad is not a religion. They are all made up extremely loosely based off of a disturbing depiction of a misread koran.
Go read the bible and tell me where it is acceptable to murder people and then come back here and tell me this man is a real christian.
It's simply not black and white. Treating it as such is ignorant.
The reason why I mentioned that I shouldn't have to explain this is that anybody who doesn't have a chip on their shoulder about religion understands these fundamental facts.[/QUOTE]
Islam's a bit different in that regard since they hold the hadith, the sunna, etc. as all religiously binding as well. There's a whole lot more than the Koran. As a Christian, I can point specifically to parts of the Bible that make actions like attacking plan parenthood doctors wrong (the simple fact that none of the Bible told the Christians to attack Roman society, even though they did a whole lot of things that Christianity finds horrible would go a long way to do it). Muslims have the problem of some hadith that say to do those things and other hadith not saying to do those things, and what you believe depends on what hadith you believe.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49228999]This is a good explination for you.
Basically, When you do shit that goes directly against the teaching of the religion, it means that you are not following the religion.
Sharia law is not religion, the caliphate is not a religion, and jihad is not a religion. They are all made up extremely loosely based off of a disturbing dipiction of a misread koran.
Go read the bible and tell me where it is acceptable to murder people and then come back here and tell me this man is a real christian.
It's simply not black and white. Treating it as such is ignorant.[/QUOTE]
I actually agree that murdering people in an abortion clinic is against Christian theology. In fact, being an anti-abortion Christian is not even that straightforward. As for Islam, I have to ask what you say to the vast majority of Muslim theologians who have spent their entire lifetimes studying their religion and who disagree with you entirely. You have to be an extreme moderate who is ignorant of Islam if you want to be against Islamic religious law. Is the entire Al-Azhar University made up of deluded morons? Why are the most religiously educated Muslims usually the most conservative? You must know something that they all don't. Did Gabriel visit you in a cave recently?
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49228999]Go read the bible and tell me where it is acceptable to murder people and then come back here and tell me this man is a real christian.[/QUOTE]
is there any of that 'don't plant two crops in the same field' or 'don't wear clothes of two different animal products' kinda stuff that gets you stoned to death outside (the old testament?)? I recall a lot of frivilous stoning stuff (and also the oft quoted things about man lying with man) but I also recall lots of that was part of whichever book/version/general chunk of story that was, which technically got obsoleted by jesus's sacrifice
[QUOTE=dai;49229044]is there any of that 'don't plant two crops in the same field' or 'don't wear clothes of two different animal products' kinda stuff that gets you stoned to death outside (the old testament?)? I recall a lot of frivilous stoning stuff (and also the oft quoted things about man lying with man) but I also recall lots of that was part of whichever book/version/general chunk of story that was, which technically got obsoleted by jesus's sacrifice[/QUOTE]
EVEN IF you believed that those laws applied today they would only exist within the community, not to those outside. The Jews were never called to force other nations to obey their laws.
With that said, it's clear in the New Testament that Christians are not to follow them anymore.
[QUOTE=dai;49229044]is there any of that 'don't plant two crops in the same field' or 'don't wear clothes of two different animal products' kinda stuff that gets you stoned to death outside (the old testament?)? I recall a lot of frivilous stoning stuff (and also the oft quoted things about man lying with man) but I also recall lots of that was part of whichever book/version/general chunk of story that was, which technically got obsoleted by jesus's sacrifice[/QUOTE]
A lot of the old testament was written for that period of time. Which is why Christianity focuses around the new testament, mostly and refers to the old testament as history.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49228809]Sure, I'll rephrase then: report this guy and move on. Giving him attention is [I]exactly[/I] what he wants. He is given power through sensationalism - the more people are talking about him, the bigger the chance he'll reach the crazies. And you don't want that.
Also, this guy won't change his mind. I have a hypothesis that I've been pondering for a while that the way to kill a toxic ideology is think of everything as a spectrum - you can't tilt the spectrum to have everyone fall away from the extreme end, but you can wane the people who aren't too far into the extreme to change their views. Over time, you'll get most of the people to change just by "eating away around the core", and all you'll be left with are the extreme that will either adapt or die out.[/QUOTE]
I have a hypothesis and a theory on how to counter the "crazies and assholes".
Instead of shitting up the thread (like I did in fast forum) I would rather have help forming it if possible.
Tell me if interested. Yes you re right. Attention is what they seeking. Thats one way.
[QUOTE=JohhnyCarson;49229139]I have a hypothesis and a theory on how to counter the "crazies and assholes".
Instead of shitting up the thread (like I did in fast forum) I would rather have help forming it if possible.
Tell me if interested. Yes you re right. Attention is what they seeking. Thats one way.[/QUOTE]
What's your hypothesis?
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.