60% of Americans hate all of the major candidates running for the Presidency
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[quote]By any measure, the three most likely people to appear on the November general-election ballot are, in order,[B] Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump and Ted Cruz.[/B]
Yet, according to new numbers from an [B]NBC-Wall Street Journal national poll released Monday night, at least 6 in 10 Americans say they can't see themselves supporting any of that trio.[/B]
Clinton's numbers are the "best" on the question, with 58 percent of people saying they don't see themselves supporting her in the general election. (Forty-one percent said they could see themselves backing her.) Sixty-one percent of people say they can't imagine backing Cruz, and a whopping 68 percent say the same of Trump.
The only candidate running for president who has more people saying they could support him than saying they wouldn't? Bernie Sanders, whom 49 percent say they support and 48 percent say they can't, in the NBC-WSJ poll.
What gives? A few things.[/quote]
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Maybe it's due to the circles I associate with on the internet but: I'm surprised it's not higher.
All of those candidates have said some incredibly objectionable things.
This election could be the least white one ever as all the educated people just give up on the system and all the minorities come out in force to stop the two crazy republicans
I like Sanders the most but only because of his personality and his comitment to his values. Many of his policies however are poorly thought out.
[QUOTE=Damoman;50165328]Maybe it's due to the circles I associate with on the internet but: I'm surprised it's not higher.
All of those candidates have said some incredibly objectionable things.[/QUOTE]
Different candidates have their own percentages, though the 60% is for all three candidates collectively.
Yet we still elect them anyway.
A sign of true greatness.
Why did I ever think that anyone could defeat the unbeatable foe that is greed?
[QUOTE=download;50165383]I like Sanders the most but only because of his personality and his comitment to his values. Many of his policies however are poorly thought out.[/QUOTE]
this is the main reason I thought Ron Paul was the best republican last time
he didn't spew nearly as much shit and consistently has believed what he said
that isn't to say he doesn't spew, but compared to Santorum and everyone else he didn't sound completely fucked
[QUOTE=adamsz;50165429]Yet we still elect them anyway.
A sign of true greatness.
Why did I ever think that anyone could defeat the unbeatable foe that is greed?[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's so much as "we" as it is the minority 40% that do like one or two of the candidates that will eventually decide the election.
[QUOTE=J!NX;50165441]this is the main reason I thought Ron Paul was the best republican last time
he didn't spew nearly as much shit and consistently has believed what he said
that isn't to say he doesn't spew, but compared to Santorum and everyone else he didn't sound completely fucked[/QUOTE]
Ya but Ron Paul has that same "gubment can do no good" mentality that's crippled the government today
[QUOTE=Sableye;50165559]Ya but Ron Paul has that same "gubment can do no good" mentality that's crippled the government today[/QUOTE]
I do not give a shit what their stances are. If they have integrity, that good enough for me. If they lack that, I'm going for effect.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50165467]I don't think it's so much as "we" as it is the minority 40% that do like one or two of the candidates that will eventually decide the election.[/QUOTE]
Then those 40% shouldn't be making decisions that they have no knowledge in.
[QUOTE=adamsz;50165608]Then those 40% shouldn't be making decisions that they have no knowledge in.[/QUOTE]
What evidence is there that they are all uninformed about the candidate they actually do like?
[QUOTE=download;50165383]I like Sanders the most but only because of his personality and his comitment to his values. Many of his policies however are poorly thought out.[/QUOTE]
I will admit the way he funds his college plan is a bit unrealistic, but what's poorly thought out about the rest of his plans?
I think his single payer plan is absolutely what we need in America, especially when combined with a plan to raise the minimum wage. Those two combined essentially make health insurance significantly cheaper for every employer currently providing health insurance and for the majority of Americans. A good chunk of those savings are then phased into wages. Even the people who would technically be paying more would see either a net zero or positive change due to the wage increases. Not to mention the fact that people won't be afraid to leave a job for fear of losing health insurance. His income tax plan is also by far the most well structured I have seen.
He actually has a pretty solid plan to try to reverse the massive increase in wealth/income inequality that has occured in recent decades. Unfortunately, I feel the plans work best in tandem which would be hard to accomplish. Nevertheless, it's a goal that America should work towards.
Even ignoring anything that would involved the legislative branch his administration could: End the war on drugs and pardon hundreds of thousands of low level drug offenders(saving tens of billions of dollars a year), break up the big banks(3/4 of the largest are now even larger than pre-2008), appoint supreme court justices who would overturn citizens united(fighting for a less corrupt government), and negotiate trade deals that aren't shit-tier ala TPP/NAFTA.
In the scope of what he can definitely do, those sound like pretty nice well thought out policies to me
[QUOTE=Mooman;50165912]I will admit the way he funds his college plan is a bit unrealistic, but what's poorly thought out about the rest of his plans?
I think his single payer plan is absolutely what we need in America, especially when combined with a plan to raise the minimum wage. Those two combined essentially make health insurance significantly cheaper for every employer currently providing health insurance and for the majority of Americans. A good chunk of those savings are then phased into wages. [B]Even the people who would technically be paying more would see either a net zero or positive change due to the wage increases.[/B] Not to mention the fact that people won't be afraid to leave a job for fear of losing health insurance. His income tax plan is also by far the most well structured I have seen.
He actually has a pretty solid plan to try to reverse the massive increase in wealth/income inequality that has occured in recent decades. Unfortunately, I feel the plans work best in tandem which would be hard to accomplish. Nevertheless, it's a goal that America should work towards.
Even ignoring anything that would involved the legislative branch his administration could: End the war on drugs and pardon hundreds of thousands of low level drug offenders(saving tens of billions of dollars a year), break up the big banks(3/4 of the largest are now even larger than pre-2008), appoint supreme court justices who would overturn citizens united(fighting for a less corrupt government), and negotiate trade deals that aren't shit-tier ala TPP/NAFTA.
In the scope of what he can definitely do, those sound like pretty nice well thought out policies to me[/QUOTE]
This only makes sense for minimum wage workers. It would simply amount to higher taxes for many people.
What percentage of most workers income goes to health insurance companies every year, though?
I very much doubt the tax would be more than that for the vast majority of workers, So assuming that it replaces mandatory health insurance, most people would see more of their income AND have guaranteed health care.
Seems like a win win to me.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50165651]What evidence is there that they are all uninformed about the candidate they actually do like?[/QUOTE]
really there's no evidence either that the 60% who hate all candidates do so due to being informed. many of them are probably just as if not more ignorant and largely uninterested in politics. They're not truly "disillusioned", mostly just apathetic and bitter.
[QUOTE=Mooman;50165912]I will admit the way he funds his college plan is a bit unrealistic, but what's poorly thought out about the rest of his plans?
I think his single payer plan is absolutely what we need in America, especially when combined with a plan to raise the minimum wage. Those two combined essentially make health insurance significantly cheaper for every employer currently providing health insurance and for the majority of Americans. A good chunk of those savings are then phased into wages. Even the people who would technically be paying more would see either a net zero or positive change due to the wage increases. Not to mention the fact that people won't be afraid to leave a job for fear of losing health insurance. His income tax plan is also by far the most well structured I have seen.
He actually has a pretty solid plan to try to reverse the massive increase in wealth/income inequality that has occured in recent decades. Unfortunately, I feel the plans work best in tandem which would be hard to accomplish. Nevertheless, it's a goal that America should work towards.
Even ignoring anything that would involved the legislative branch his administration could: End the war on drugs and pardon hundreds of thousands of low level drug offenders(saving tens of billions of dollars a year), break up the big banks(3/4 of the largest are now even larger than pre-2008), appoint supreme court justices who would overturn citizens united(fighting for a less corrupt government), and negotiate trade deals that aren't shit-tier ala TPP/NAFTA.
In the scope of what he can definitely do, those sound like pretty nice well thought out policies to me[/QUOTE]
The raise in minimum wage, and mandatory coverage from businesses only hurts mom and pop shops, which a huge portion of businesses in America consist of. Walmart could afford it, but they will probably just buy more self check-out counters instead of hiring more people. And your local pizza place probably won't be able to afford it in the first place. Causing them to possibly have to let people go; AKA unemployment goes up. The affordable care act wasn't supposed to cause a spike in health care costs, but they skyrocketed. I can't even imagine how bad it will get if Bernie actually gets to pass anything, as that is going to hit harder on the taxpayer. I just can't see why people want this country to be more like European countries when a lot of those countries are doing as bad if not worse then our own financially, why people are wanting more taxes to give to a government that shows time and time again they fail at managing it.
[QUOTE=download;50165383]I like Sanders the most but only because of his personality and his comitment to his values. Many of his policies however are poorly thought out.[/QUOTE]
Don't say that.You'll trigger the fuck out of the Sanders supporters.
What bugs me the most about the minimum wage discussion is that most people always end up asking "but how are companies supposed to be able to afford that?" instead of asking "how are people supposed to feed an entire family with that?".
[QUOTE=Pine Cone;50166848]The raise in minimum wage, and mandatory coverage from businesses only hurts mom and pop shops, which a huge portion of businesses in America consist of. Walmart could afford it, but they will probably just buy more self check-out counters instead of hiring more people. And your local pizza place probably won't be able to afford it in the first place. Causing them to possibly have to let people go; AKA unemployment goes up. The affordable care act wasn't supposed to cause a spike in health care costs, but they skyrocketed. I can't even imagine how bad it will get if Bernie actually gets to pass anything, as that is going to hit harder on the taxpayer. I just can't see why people want this country to be more like European countries when a lot of those countries are doing as bad if not worse then our own financially, why people are wanting more taxes to give to a government that shows time and time again they fail at managing it.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report#2016_ranking_.5B4.5D[/url]
For the last few years those scandinavian countries with the highest redistribution of wealth always end up at the top of the list.
[QUOTE=Pine Cone;50166848]The raise in minimum wage, and mandatory coverage from businesses only hurts mom and pop shops, which a huge portion of businesses in America consist of. Walmart could afford it, but they will probably just buy more self check-out counters instead of hiring more people. And your local pizza place probably won't be able to afford it in the first place. Causing them to possibly have to let people go; AKA unemployment goes up. The affordable care act wasn't supposed to cause a spike in health care costs, but they skyrocketed. I can't even imagine how bad it will get if Bernie actually gets to pass anything, as that is going to hit harder on the taxpayer. I just can't see why people want this country to be more like European countries when a lot of those countries are doing as bad if not worse then our own financially, why people are wanting more taxes to give to a government that shows time and time again they fail at managing it.[/QUOTE]
Wages are a relatively small part of a company's expenses.
Also, Europe has a lot of small and medium-sized stores as well. They somehow manage to survive, even under the crushing burden of making sure their employees' families don't starve.
Should you not vote if there is no candidate you feel truly inclined to vote for?
[QUOTE=ThePanther;50168139]Should you not vote if there is no candidate you feel truly inclined to vote for?[/QUOTE]
I've been told that if you don't vote, you have no right to complain, which is bullshit imo. If you don't like any of the candidates, then don't vote.
[QUOTE=ThePanther;50168139]Should you not vote if there is no candidate you feel truly inclined to vote for?[/QUOTE]
No, you should vote, just vote for a third party. Or sign in someone you think deserves to be president. A vote's a vote, use it. Although the electoral college makes the entire thing a giant pile of steaming shit.
[QUOTE=download;50165383]I like Sanders the most but only because of his personality and his comitment to his values. Many of his policies however are poorly thought out.[/QUOTE]
I don't know about that, every other developed country can do it. Why couldn't the united states? Germany has a good economy, free college, free healthcare, why can't the US beat [B]germany[/B]?
[QUOTE=kijji;50168152]I've been told that if you don't vote, you have no right to complain, which is bullshit imo. If you don't like any of the candidates, then don't vote.[/QUOTE]
This is a bad mentality to have. Write in someone if you don't like any of the candidates.
[QUOTE=Aetna;50168161]This is a bad mentality to have. Write in someone if you don't like any of the candidates.[/QUOTE]
I know that I'm voting for Bernie, and I'll write him in if he doesn't get the nomination.
No shit?
[QUOTE=ThePanther;50168139]Should you not vote if there is no candidate you feel truly inclined to vote for?[/QUOTE]
That's been my strat the past two elections. Way I see it, the establishment candidates have been, for the past 40 or 50 years now, two differently colored piles of shit that will be no different in the office. If there's no real choice there why waste the time making one?
Itt'l be the same story in this election if Sanders isn't on the ballot. I feel we're equally fucked if Hilary, Cruz or Trump gets the while house. If Sanders [i]is[/i] on the ballot, though, I'll probably waste my time voting for him despite living in a hardcore red state that'll send its delegates to his opponent anyway. I mean, it won't count thanks to the electoral college, but at least I did it.
[QUOTE=ThePanther;50168139]Should you not vote if there is no candidate you feel truly inclined to vote for?[/QUOTE]
You vote for whoever best represents your interests.
This election sure is something we haven't seen in a long time.
[QUOTE=ThePanther;50168139]Should you not vote if there is no candidate you feel truly inclined to vote for?[/QUOTE]
You mean no democratic or republican candidate? There's plenty of good third party candidates that, if they got enough votes, could up-heave the two party system.
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