Radovan Karadzic found guilty of genocide, sentenced to 40 years
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[QUOTE]Radovan Karadzic, former leader of the breakaway Serb Republic in Bosnia, was sentenced Thursday to 40 years in prison after being found responsible for genocide and nine other counts of war crimes and crimes against humanity in the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia.
The charge of genocide related to the massacre of Bosnian Muslim men and boys in Srebrenica in July 1995, the worst mass killing in Europe since World War II.
Karadzic was found not guilty on one count of genocide.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/24/europe/karadzic-war-crimes-verdict/index.html?adkey=bn]Source.[/URL]
Yesss finally!
..why does 40 years seem sort of lax for literal GENOCIDE
[QUOTE=dvc;49997858]..why does 40 years seem sort of lax for literal GENOCIDE[/QUOTE]
because he's 70 years old
[QUOTE=dvc;49997858]..why does 40 years seem sort of lax for literal GENOCIDE[/QUOTE]
He's 70 and he'll likely die in prison anyway.
Karadzic kills 8000 people and gets 40 years. Oklahoma City cop rapes 13 girls and get 200+ years. Not saying that he shouldn't have, and I realize that Karadzic is 70 years old, the jurisdiction is different, etc., but it just feels like symbolically he should have gotten more. I mean, what if Kim Jong Un did the same (which, he does do) at age 28? Should he be released when he was 60?
I personally think that people like Karadzic should be put to death. I think people like Ceausescu and those convicted at the Nuremburg trials got what they deserved.
Rot in jail, you fucking lunatic.
This is a man whose only victory in five years of constant conflict was ordering his bandits to kill people in an area where there'd be no resistance. And some Serbs call him a hero. Pah.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49997906]Karadzic kills 8000 people and gets 40 years. Oklahoma City cop rapes 13 girls and get 200+ years. Not saying that he shouldn't have, and I realize that Karadzic is 70 years old, the jurisdiction is different, etc., but it just feels like symbolically he should have gotten more. I mean, what if Kim Jong Un did the same (which, he does do) at age 28? Should he be released when he was 60?
I personally think that people like Karadzic should be put to death. I think people like Ceausescu and those convicted at the Nuremburg trials got what they deserved.[/QUOTE]Afaik the UN issued a resolution calling for a global ban on the death penalty. Individual countries can sort of get away with it within their own jurisdiction, but these sorts of international tribunals i'd imagine have less leeway in that regard. In any case, he's going to die in prison.
The ICTY doesn't have the death penalty but they could have sentenced him to life. They might have explained why they chose 40 years in their judgement, but the ICTY website is getting hammered so I can't read it
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49997906]Karadzic kills 8000 people and gets 40 years. Oklahoma City cop rapes 13 girls and get 200+ years. Not saying that he shouldn't have, and I realize that Karadzic is 70 years old, the jurisdiction is different, etc., but it just feels like symbolically he should have gotten more. I mean, what if Kim Jong Un did the same (which, he does do) at age 28? Should he be released when he was 60?
I personally think that people like Karadzic should be put to death. I think people like Ceausescu and those convicted at the Nuremburg trials got what they deserved.[/QUOTE]
I think any penalty that goes over any reasonable life expectancy is just a formality really
I wonder how fun it must be to guard him only to see him consume water 24/7
Holly shit, I think I just saw a pig fly by my window. 40 years or 2000, it doesn't matter since there is no justice or punishment for something like this, but at least genocide is confirmed to have happened, and no one in their right mind can deny it now. Others should be aware of what people were up against then.
Okay, here's what [url=http://www.icty.org/x/cases/karadzic/tjug/en/160324_judgement_summary.pdf]the judgement[/url] has to say about how they decided the sentence:
[quote]In determining the appropriate sentence to be imposed on the Accused, the Chamber has had regard to the particular gravity of the crimes for which he is found responsible and the significant contribution he made to their commission. These are among the most egregious of crimes in international criminal law and include extermination as a crime against humanity and genocide.
In mitigation, the Accused presented evidence in relation to an agreement he claims to have entered with Richard Holbrooke in July 1996 whereby he resigned from public and party office and withdrew from public life with the understanding that he would not be prosecuted at the Tribunal. The Chamber considers that regardless of the reason or reasons behind his decision, the Accused’s decision to resign from public and party offices in July 1996, is a mitigating factor. The Chamber has also given regard to the Accused’s other arguments, such as his expressions of regret, his good conduct at the UNDU, and his personal circumstances. With respect to cumulative convictions, where there were overlapping killing incidents, the Chamber finds that murder as a crime against humanity was subsumed under extermination and no conviction with regard to these incidents is entered under Count 5. For all remaining established killing incidents, the Chamber enters a conviction for murder as a crime against humanity. This does not impact the conviction for murder as a violation of the laws or customs of war under Article 3 of the Statute, which is not impermissibly cumulative with murder or extermination as crimes against humanity.[/quote]
The 40-year sentence also takes into account time already served, so he would be released in 2048.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;49997988]I think any penalty that goes over any reasonable life expectancy is just a formality really[/QUOTE]
he would be 102 at release, that's not beyond reasonable life expectancy. beyond average, sure, but nowhere near beyond reasonable
For people saying that the death penalty is a good idea here, you need to remember that this guy possibly knows something we may need to know in future. Not to mention dying in a cell years from now is not exactly mercy compared to a quick death when you are already 70 y/o.
[QUOTE=Ricool06;49998433]For people saying that the death penalty is a good idea here, you need to remember that this guy possibly knows something we may need to know in future. Not to mention dying in a cell years from now is not exactly mercy compared to a quick death when you are already 70 y/o.[/QUOTE]
i'd rather he sit in prison then become executed. let the rat bastard rot in a jail cell and die shamefully.
I mean what the fuck is the point of a 200 year sentence? None. There is no point to it. It's symbolic masturbation over how much we're punishing them.
Just call it "life in prison" and be done with it. This guy got life in prison. He's going to die in prison. You don't need to symbolically show this guy was a monster by giving him 2000 years.
I thought the name was familiar.
[video=youtube;uSCJxxI83v4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSCJxxI83v4[/video]
[QUOTE=butre;49998407]he would be 102 at release, that's not beyond reasonable life expectancy. beyond average, sure, but nowhere near beyond reasonable[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't he be 112?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49999346]Wouldn't he be 112?[/QUOTE]
the sentence includes time served
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49999338]I mean what the fuck is the point of a 200 year sentence? None. There is no point to it. It's symbolic masturbation over how much we're punishing them.
Just call it "life in prison" and be done with it. This guy got life in prison. He's going to die in prison. You don't need to symbolically show this guy was a monster by giving him 2000 years.[/QUOTE]
I remember hearing somewhere it's due to legal fuckery, so to ensure that it's "life in prison" they give infeasibly long sentences to prevent them ever getting out in case it gets reduced or whatever.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49999338]I mean what the fuck is the point of a 200 year sentence? None. There is no point to it. It's symbolic masturbation over how much we're punishing them.
Just call it "life in prison" and be done with it. This guy got life in prison. He's going to die in prison. You don't need to symbolically show this guy was a monster by giving him 2000 years.[/QUOTE]
I think those long sentences are because of multiple counts of lesser penalties adding up, which doubles as insurance against them getting out of prison as even if one or two counts get revoked it still wont be enough to get them out of jail.
Now Kebab will never be remove.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49997906]Karadzic kills 8000 people and gets 40 years. Oklahoma City cop rapes 13 girls and get 200+ years. Not saying that he shouldn't have, and I realize that Karadzic is 70 years old, the jurisdiction is different, etc., but it just feels like symbolically he should have gotten more. I mean, what if Kim Jong Un did the same (which, he does do) at age 28? Should he be released when he was 60?
I personally think that people like Karadzic should be put to death. I think people like Ceausescu and those convicted at the Nuremburg trials got what they deserved.[/QUOTE]
Americans are generally known for a fucked up legal system. In europe anything over 15-20 years is incredibly unusual, so 40 is huge. The reason americans get such stacked up sentences is because you guys can combine sentences for lesser crimes rather than a larger crime subsuming all else.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;50003168]Americans are generally known for a fucked up legal system. In europe anything over 15-20 years is incredibly unusual, so 40 is huge. The reason americans get such stacked up sentences is because you guys can combine sentences for lesser crimes rather than a larger crime subsuming all else.[/QUOTE]
Because someone who ends another person's life intentionally and without valid justification (e.g. self-defense)--let alone 7000--should not forfeit their freedom for the rest of their life to ensure the safety of everyone else?
Fair enough...
I dislike the death penalty as I think it's a 'get out of jail free card' Although I dislike jail too as it's honestly a waste of money and resources, It'd be better if we set up a little island with it's own food supply and dump prisoners there to look after themselves, take them out of society... Throw in some dangerous creatures every now and again and set it up as an episodic TV show, could cover any costs incurred at all.
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;50003681]Fair enough...
I dislike the death penalty as I think it's a 'get out of jail free card' Although I dislike jail too as it's honestly a waste of money and resources, It'd be better if we set up a little island with it's own food supply and dump prisoners there to look after themselves, take them out of society... Throw in some dangerous creatures every now and again and set it up as an episodic TV show, could cover any costs incurred at all.[/QUOTE]
they tried this already
its called Australia
[QUOTE=Megadave;50000235]Now Kebab will never be remove.[/QUOTE]
The results can be seen in Europe right now!
[QUOTE=DaMastez;50003181]Because someone who ends another person's life intentionally and without valid justification (e.g. self-defense)--let alone 7000--should not forfeit their freedom for the rest of their life to ensure the safety of everyone else?[/QUOTE]
Prison sentences aren't only defined by the riks of that person to society. If they where, why not just give this guy an ankle bracelet and a "don't talk to the media" parole condition, instead of wasting money putting him in a jail cell.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50000129]I remember hearing somewhere it's due to legal fuckery, so to ensure that it's "life in prison" they give infeasibly long sentences to prevent them ever getting out in case it gets reduced or whatever.[/QUOTE]
No its because (speaking for America here) you can attempt appeal your crimes you were found guilty of. If you successfully appeal some of the crimes you were found guilty of you would be eligibile for parole much earlier. Also there's a responsibility to punish people for their individual crimes which factors into the crazy long prison sentences.
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