Green Day Bassist Mike Dirnt Says Band Concerned Over Effect of Violent Video Games On Kids
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[quote=New Musical Express]Bassist Mike Dirnt told Kerrang!: “My kids are going to grow up seeing things that I never saw, like Mixed Martial Arts. When that first came out, people were ‘Oh fuck, that’s fucking violent.’ And now they play it on TV in restaurants. I’m supposed to eat and watch this shit wherever I go? Nothing makes me hungrier than watching two guys in weenie bikinis kicking the shit out of each other.”
[B]Dirnt added: “Video games are different now too. You’re actually in there shooting and killing people. And that’s got to take a toll, but I don’t have the solutions.”[/B]
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I am actually surprised to hear this from the band. I thought they were smarter than this.
Oh fuck off
He should probably read up that Violent Video Games dont exactly have an effect on children.
The media complains about violent video games while it then broadcasts and popularizes the idea of shooting up schools and going out with a bang to the mentally ill. Maybe entertainment media isn't the kind of media that's the fucking problem, eh?
It's a pretty common view point among the general populous.
I listen to my customers and some of the older people I work with talk about what their kids do, how they play video games and watch TV and how that stuff is just purely detrimental to their children.
I usually wonder to myself "If you think it's so fucking bad for your kid, why do you let them sit on their asses for 6 hours a day and do it? You just complained that's the situation so I know it is so how do you not see your part in all of this"? I don't even want to explain the facts of the matter to them because I don't think that matters, I think they're more concerned with being concerned about something.
I can't imagine being in Green Day gives you a great deal of perspective of some of these issues as the regular folk also lack that perspective it seems.
As someone who is unstable and violent. I can say that they do the opposite as they let you take those feelings out in the world of imagination. Rather than acting on them and making a big problem.
I didn't know that "American Idiot" was an autobiography.
For crying out loud, this myth of "violent video games cause violence" has been proven false numerous times, but I guess emotions are more important than facts to quite a lot of people.
Also that quote in bold... "Video games are different now too. You’re actually in there shooting and killing people". Man, you need psychological help because it looks like you can't tell the difference between fiction and reality.
Tangential, but I kinda agree with him regarding MMA/UFC type sports in general though. Just never saw the appeal in watching two dudes beat the fuck out of each other, but I never really got into wrestling or boxing either so maybe it's just me.
Remember when people accused rock music of promoting violence and how that turned out to be bullshit? Clearly this man doesn't.
I'm concerned about the effect of your terrible music on kids.
He's just mad because no one in the world gives a shit about Green Day anymore, including his kids.
Dirnt added: “[B]Video games are different now too.[/B] You’re actually in there shooting and killing people. And that’s got to take a toll, but I don’t have the solutions.”
Whats different? I completely disagree with this whole statement but seriously what is the point? Doom was pretty much one of the "suspected" tools for columbine, and that was two decades ago.
Also do they not realize that some of their albums had to carry the parental advisory censorship due to lyrics and themes of the music. How can you honestly think this is a good idea.
What a fucking dipshit
People like to believe things which sound true and are said by someone with any sort of authority. Additionally, there is a good veritasium on it but just saying the phrase "the blood temperature of chickens" a few times means people are more likely to agree with the statement: "the blood temperature of chickens is [pick a realistic number] degrees celcius" regardless of the fact the number was never given. Familiar things are nice.
Add in the fact that "x new media causes problem y, ban x, solve y!" is a really convenient solution to a complicated problem and people will believe it no matter how untrue it is.
Who cares about this guy? Green Day hasn't been relevant in years. Their just mad because kids would rather play games than listen to their shitty music.
There's also the research which showed that video games could induce violent [i]thoughts[/i], which seems compelling, especially when combined with research which correlated video games with violent behaviours, until of course they controlled for parental, family, social and economic factors, among others, at which point the correlation disappeared. The problem is the detailed analysis doesn't sell papers or get clicks, sadly.
[QUOTE=cr2142;50942140]Dirnt added: “[B]Video games are different now too.[/B] You’re actually in there shooting and killing people. And that’s got to take a toll, but I don’t have the solutions.”
Whats different? I completely disagree with this whole statement but seriously what is the point? Doom was pretty much one of the "suspected" tools for columbine, and that was two decades ago.
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For people who's exposure to video games is the occasional sideways glance and who's primary experience of them may have been years or decades ago, it's pretty easy to see a massive change in the levels of visceral violence developers are capable of putting on screen. Just compare Doom to Doom 2016, the enhanced technology makes abstract violence seem a lot more realistic. Look at games like Sniper Elite and Mortal Kombat, who have upped the ante as it were with their Xray killcam systems showing just exactly what your bullets and attacks do to a human system (appropriately exaggerated of course). What's changed is the technology.
I disagree with his conclusion that it "takes a toll", but I don't necessarily think that makes him a dipshit.
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I disagree with his conclusion that it "takes a toll", but I don't necessarily think that makes him a dipshit.[/QUOTE]
It does make him a dipshit when he can seek out information about this and gain a better understanding after literally a google search.
The only time a problem comes in is when parents dont parent and let the kuds raise themselves on video games, tv, internet, etc.
Censoring one or the other won't solve the issue
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50942176]For people who's exposure to video games is the occasional sideways glance and who's primary experience of them may have been years or decades ago, it's pretty easy to see a massive change in the levels of visceral violence developers are capable of putting on screen. Just compare Doom to Doom 2016, the enhanced technology makes abstract violence seem a lot more realistic. Look at games like Sniper Elite and Mortal Kombat, who have upped the ante as it were with their Xray killcam systems showing just exactly what your bullets and attacks do to a human system (appropriately exaggerated of course). What's changed is the technology.
I disagree with his conclusion that it "takes a toll", but I don't necessarily think that makes him a dipshit.[/QUOTE]
Those games are for ages 18 and up. Any parent that let's their child play these games is at fault. Just because the violence in games has gotten more advanced doesn't mean that children are more advanced at shooting up schools.
Messed up kids are gonna shoot up a school whether or not they get their weird hands on a violent game.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50942176]For people who's exposure to video games is the occasional sideways glance and who's primary experience of them may have been years or decades ago, it's pretty easy to see a massive change in the levels of visceral violence developers are capable of putting on screen. Just compare Doom to Doom 2016, the enhanced technology makes abstract violence seem a lot more realistic. Look at games like Sniper Elite and Mortal Kombat, who have upped the ante as it were with their Xray killcam systems showing just exactly what your bullets and attacks do to a human system (appropriately exaggerated of course). What's changed is the technology.
I disagree with his conclusion that it "takes a toll", but I don't necessarily think that makes him a dipshit.[/QUOTE]
i dont necessarily think that the improvement in graphics and gameplay elements has actually made video games more violent, they always have been, and the same argument is made (and I swear to god its the exact same argument) every single time a new GTA is released, all the way back to GTA3. Back when news sources were basically saying that its so realistic and could make people go on massive rampages.
its all bollocks, and the whole argument is bollocks. I can kinda understand that gaming is the new form of media that is heavily interactive which "enables" people to go and kill people in certain games. But I'll always stand by my view that its not the game its the person playing it.
Videogames, like many things, are only a psychological trigger for already grounded emotions and attitudes.
For example: If someone is a manipulative psychopath, all a videogame is going to do is allow them to hone their craft.
[QUOTE=da space core;50942237]The only time a problem comes in is when parents dont parent and let the kuds raise themselves on video games, tv, internet, etc.
Censoring one or the other won't solve the issue[/QUOTE]
I don't know, I agree with the parenting part but I grew up watching Full Metal Jacket, playing GTA3 and watching the earlier south park episodes and i've turned out fine.
I will always say its down to lots of reasons, either it be heavy bullying without any reasonable channeling through parents or school, and or how you were actually bought up (as well as other stuff like that)
There's literally no reason to care about this guy's opinion on games.
Bigger people and even mainstream media talks about it from time to time and the topic always heats up then disappears like nothing happened, it doesn't matter anymore.
I'd say it's only really a problem if a young person is playing and romanticizing violent shooters like 24/7 with some additional negative factors thrown in outside of that. If you expose yourself to one kind of media non-stop, it's obviously going to have some kind of effect on you eventually.
Just playing some Call of Duty or GTA after school isn't going to mold them into bank robbers.
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;50942221]It does make him a dipshit when he can seek out information about this and gain a better understanding after literally a google search.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;50942248]Those games are for ages 18 and up. Any parent that let's their child play these games is at fault. Just because the violence in games has gotten more advanced doesn't mean that children are more advanced at shooting up schools.
Messed up kids are gonna shoot up a school whether or not they get their weird hands on a violent game.[/QUOTE]
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I disagree with his conclusion that it "takes a toll"[/QUOTE]
I don't think it "effects" people like Dirnt was saying, I was specifically keeping things pared down to how games are different now.
[QUOTE=cr2142;50942261]i dont necessarily think that the improvement in graphics and gameplay elements has actually made video games more violent, they always have been.[/QUOTE]
In more abstract ways the farther you go back, sure, games have always been violent, the difference is the visceral realism that video games nowadays are capable of delivering. The difference is between shooting someone with a rocket and watching their sprite turn into a mass of red pixels or watching their model explode in gore, blood, and body parts. Before you lose your shit[B] I'm not saying there is anything wrong with thi[/B] , I'm just saying why someone who only occasionally looks into the world of video games would see a difference over the years.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50942329]I don't think it "effects" people like Dirnt was saying, I was specifically keeping things pared down to how games are different now.
In more abstract ways the farther you go back, sure, games have always been violent, the difference is the visceral realism that video games nowadays are capable of delivering. The difference is between shooting someone with a rocket and watching their sprite turn into a mass of red pixels or watching their model explode in gore, blood, and body parts. Before you lose your shit I'm not saying there is anything wrong with this , I'm just saying why someone who only occasionally looks into the world of video games would see a difference over the years.[/QUOTE]
The problem with rationalizing that angle is that these people you talk about, having "only glanced at video games", should not be commenting on video games at all. Once they do, they're subject to scrutiny for their opinions, regardless of how uninformed they are.
I also want to say that while you have a point about video game graphical fidelity advancing, I will say that no video game has ever attempted to make properly realistic gore. Blood effects and textures may inch towards photo realism, but games just don't try to emulate real life gore. That would make players sick to their stomachs.
Bottom line is, these people can think whatever they want about video games. They should keep those thoughts to themselves, if they're unprepared to do any research into the effects video games have.
Lol it's hilarious green day is concerned about this what a bunch of wusses
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;50942327]This same young person could watch violent movies again and again or read books about the subject, video games are just a really convenient scape goat some people can point fingers at because they're so out of touch with the real world[/QUOTE]
I think you're right about treating it as a scapegoat, but but I don't think books and movies can really replicate adrenaline and make combat seem [I]fun[/I] as efficiently as videogames can.
I don't think it's remotely likely for somebody to just play a lot of videogames and then decide to fight the cops, but I think that somebody that has a shitty life and generally does nothing but play violent shooters when they're home might have a higher chance of deluding themselves into believing going out with a bang would be a good course of action.
Note I wouldn't be in favor of any legislature restricting or censoring videogames, it's everything [I]outside[/I] of videogames that should be taken more seriously; parenting and school situations.
Why the fuck is this news anyways?
Unless this bassist has a PhD in developmental psychology, why should his word mean anything?
Oh so violent video games, books, music, and movies have a "detrimental" effect on children but the constant reports on rioting, school shootings, and mass murders don't?
This guy can fuck right off.
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