• Teach Evolution, Not Creationisim
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[url]http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/1617[/url] I just thought I would post this to get Facepunches opinion on this, I for one fully support it. Schools are there to teach students facts not religious beliefs. They also need to pack in Religous Education classes in England too, noone takes them seriously.
Signed to you.Too bad it will not be implemented in Lithuania
They don't even teach any of that on my old school
It's not my petition, A friend posted it on Facebook, but I still really want it to go through.
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I think they stopped teaching Religious Education in state primary schools in Victoria, Australia. I remember going through it myself.
Ahh, the joys of never having done any kind of specific religion topics at school. Other than learning about all the different religions in sose (society history class) it was left at that.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;32145895][B]Bad Thread Ideas: Religion[/B][/QUOTE] This isn't really a thread on religion so much as it's more of a thread on what people are being taught in school.
Remove religion classes and have a theology component of a philosophy class.
[QUOTE=Phycosymo;32145944]This isn't really a thread on religion so much as it's more of a thread on what people are being taught in school.[/QUOTE] Yea but these kinds of thread will almost always quickly be derailed into nothing but religious "discussions" and name calling.
[QUOTE=Contag;32146249]Remove religion classes and have a theology component of a philosophy class.[/QUOTE] Teach what has been observed and proved. Let them decide on their religion (or lack) of themselves.
I don't really see the problem with being taught creationism as a [I]theory[/I], but when it's meant to be fact that's where the problems arise. If the kids were just taught the idea behind it and allowed to form their own opinions on it, that's perfectly fine. Just keep evolution in the science class and the creationism in the Religious Education class, and everything should be fine.
[QUOTE=chrishind10;32146511]Teach what has been observed and proved. Let them decide on their religion (or lack) of themselves.[/QUOTE] Philosophy is incredibly important - are you saying it's not?
[QUOTE=Cone;32146578]I don't really see the problem with being taught creationism as a [I]theory[/I], but when it's meant to be fact that's where the problems arise. If the kids were just taught the idea behind it and allowed to form their own opinions on it, that's perfectly fine. Just keep evolution in the science class and the creationism in the Religious Education class, and everything should be fine.[/QUOTE] yeah, we can teach children that 2+2 = 4, and that some people believe 2+2 = 9 and let the children form their own opinion on it it's basically the same thing
I don't know about other schools, but I was taught evolution. In compulsary "Philosophy and Ethics" we also had to learn about all the major relgions, but it was never taught as if it were fact, only what some people believe. I don't know, maybe it's different elsewhere in the country but it seems to me that the petition is kind of redundant.
My school district opted to use a very popular brand of science textbooks that just don't mention anything but evolution. Bam. Problem solved. Then again, we don't have many idiots in this town. Some girl's dad pulled her out of school in the seventh grade to picket because the history book mentioned how Islam was in a general sense in [I]the 12th century.[/I]
[QUOTE=LasPlagas;32146625]yeah, we can teach children that 2+2 = 4, and that some people believe 2+2 = 9 and let the children form their own opinion on it it's basically the same thing[/QUOTE] Not quite. 2+2 = 4 is pretty much set in stone because we actually have evidence for it. However, until we actually find evidence God exists, it's a theory and nothing more. Not wrong, not right, unlike 2 + 2 which is simple logic and is quite hard to disprove.
[QUOTE=Cone;32146674]Not quite. 2+2 = 4 is pretty much set in stone because we actually have evidence for it. However, until we actually find evidence God exists, it's a theory and nothing more. Not wrong, not right, unlike 2 + 2 which is simple logic and is quite hard to disprove.[/QUOTE] evolution is correct because we also have evidence for it creationism is [U]not correct because it's not disproven[/U], it's incorrect and flawed because it doesn't check out. it's just a flawed concept that 'stands' because enough people believe in it
[QUOTE=LasPlagas;32146781]evolution is correct because we also have evidence for it creationism is [U]not correct because it's not disproven[/U], it's incorrect and flawed because it doesn't check out. it's just a flawed concept that 'stands' because enough people believe in it[/QUOTE] That doesn't make it analogous to 2+2=4 / 2+2=9 2+2=4 can be proved, 2+2=9 can be disproved. I agree that creationism is ridiculous but the 2+2 thing doesn't really work.
[QUOTE=Jallen;32146819]That doesn't make it analogous to 2+2=4 / 2+2=9 2+2=4 can be proved, 2+2=9 can be disproved. I agree that creationism is ridiculous but the 2+2 thing doesn't really work.[/QUOTE] Exactly. You can't disprove creationism the same way you can disprove flawed logic.
you can't prove 2+2=9, because it's not true; therefore you don't have to disprove it since it's genuinely incorrect to begin with you prove things, not disprove things. if you start with a conclusion and search for evidence afterwards you're grabbing the scientific method by the wrong end [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO7IT81h200[/media] watch the other videos made by this guy, they're pretty awesome
[QUOTE=LasPlagas;32146878]you can't prove 2+2=9, because it's not true; therefore you don't have to disprove it since it's genuinely incorrect to begin with you prove things, not disprove things. if you start with a conclusion and search for evidence afterwards you're grabbing scientific theory by the wrong end[/QUOTE] It's still just a theory. We have no evidence for it, sure, but we don't have evidence it's wrong. Unlike with your argument, in which we [I]know[/I] it's wrong because the logic behind it doesn't work. That's like saying "We may as well tell kids short is long, up is down and cats are dogs, and let them form their own opinion on it". It's just not the same.
Learning about religion is really dumb in school. You choose yourself what you believe in. And you learn about it by yourself, no-one else can do it.
[QUOTE=Garik;32146926]Learning about religion is really dumb in school. You choose yourself what you believe in. And you learn about it by yourself, no-one else can do it.[/QUOTE] Why? What's wrong with me telling kids the theory of creationism if I tell them there's little evidence to support it and that it's most likely wrong? Like I said, better to tell them the facts and let them make their own minds up about it. If they can still support it, then they're believers enough that I can still tell them about evolution without them throwing a hissy-fit.
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[QUOTE=Cone;32146924]It's still just a theory. We have no evidence for it, sure, but we don't have evidence it's wrong. Unlike with your argument, in which we [I]know[/I] it's wrong because the logic behind it doesn't work. That's like saying "We may as well tell kids short is long, up is down and cats are dogs, and let them form their own opinion on it". It's just not the same.[/QUOTE] it actually is, you're blatantly giving children the choice between something that is correct and something that is incorrect "it's just a theory" makes me cringe - after all it's 'just' the theory of gravity, the theory of radioactivity, the theory of- oh i can just redirect you [B][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory#List_of_notable_theories]here[/url][/B] (hint: creation theory / creationism isn't in there)
[QUOTE=MeMassiveFag;32146969]shitstorm inbound[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;32145895][B]Bad Thread Ideas: Religion[/B][/QUOTE] I cannot agree more. If people could keep civil, then we might actually have an intelligent debate, but since we're all humans that's fairly unlikely.
When I was a child in school we almost always had to sing hymns every morning and learn about christianity. We briefly touched on other religions but only for one lesson in the whole year. I didn't start getting more rounded religious education until I was in secondary school. Personally I think religious education is important. It helps you to understand other cultures and gives you a broader view of the world but it should never be taught as fact.
Oh, alright. So if someone were to create a petition for the exact same thing, only the subject being reversed, i.e. "Teach Creationism, not Evolution" there would be a fucking riot. [b]CREATIONISM IS WRONG QUIT FORCING IT ON ME YOU NEED TO BELIEVE EVOLUTION IT'S THE ONLY TRUE ANSWER SO I'M GONNA MAKE SURE YOU HAVE TO LEARN IT IN SCHOOL[/b]. "Creationism and ‘intelligent design’ are not scientific theories, but they are portrayed as scientific theories..." OP, you and your friend really need to read up on the definition of what a 'scientific theory' is. I don't support either theories, but this is fucking ignorant. Origination, with any theory, will always be [b]just[/b] a theory. Holy fuck. Facepunch needs a fucking double box rating.
[QUOTE=LasPlagas;32146977]it actually is, you're blatantly giving children the choice between something that is correct and something that is incorrect "it's just a theory" makes me cringe - after all it's 'just' the theory of gravity, the theory of radioactivity, the theory of- oh i can just redirect you [B][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory#List_of_notable_theories]here[/url][/B][/QUOTE] So because you personally don't believe in it, it's "Blatantly" "incorrect"? The fuck, man? Edit: [QUOTE=Wolverunder;32147009]Oh, alright. So if someone were to create a petition for the exact same thing, only the subject being reversed, i.e. "Teach Creationism, not Evolution" there would be a fucking riot. [b]CREATIONISM IS WRONG QUIT FORCING IT ON ME YOU NEED TO BELIEVE EVOLUTION IT'S THE ONLY TRUE ANSWER SO I'M GONNA MAKE SURE YOU HAVE TO LEARN IT IN SCHOOL[/b]. "Creationism and ‘intelligent design’ are not scientific theories, but they are portrayed as scientific theories..." OP, you and your friend really need to read up on the definition of what a 'scientific theory' is. I don't support either theories, but this is fucking ignorant. Origination, with any theory, will always be [b]just[/b] a theory. Holy fuck.[/QUOTE] This, so goddamn much.
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