• Should bullies be accountable for suicides that they caused?
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My question to you, Mass Debate, is that if a kid was bullied at school or anywhere else and was to go so far as to take his own life due to the bullies, should the bully(or bullies) be accountable for the suicide and be charged for it?
Yes, but it must be proved beyond reasonable doubt, something that would be hard too achieve.
Suicide is just the modern society's natural selection Let it be.
No, the bully hasn't exactly forced suicide onto someone and probably had no intent of making someone want to kill themself.
[QUOTE=Ploo;34097706]Suicide is just the modern society's natural selection Let it be.[/QUOTE] Get out. Yes, they should be held entirely accountable; it is essentially murder.
No. There are too many variables to determine and anyone at anytime could cause someone to snap and do it, not necessarily the person who has been doing the damage the entire time.
No, bullies should be accountable for what they directly do to the victim, not what the victim does to themselves.
As far as I know it's already illegal to talk someone into suicide in many countries, bullying or not. I think they should be accountable if it can be proven that their behavior towards the suicide person was the major factor in his decision, and not just something that stacked upon other problems the person already had and this was just the last straw [editline]7th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=RobbL;34097872]No, bullies should be accountable for what they directly do to the victim, not what the victim does to themselves.[/QUOTE] But it can be argued that it was their actions that made the person kill himself
[QUOTE=STeel;34097902] But it can be argued that it was their actions that made the person kill himself[/QUOTE] No thats circumstantial nonsense. If you kill yourself it is your fault only. You chose to take your own life rather than look for help. It is no ones fault but your own.
Certainly I think more should be done to punish bullies who commit clear crimes against people, but charging them for causing suicide is pretty dicey. If there was clear proof that they intended to make the victim commit suicide then I could support it, but I doubt that applies to many cases. Other than that, charging the bully for murder would be implying that the actions of the bully are morally worse because of the victim's response to it, something which is not in the bully's control.
No. once the bully realizes what they did that caused another person to kill them self will most likely haunt them for the rest of their life.
While I want them to be, people react so differently to it, what could drive one to suicide could not even warrant a second thought from another. As people have said, there are too many contributing factors and variables.
Yes.
No. They didn't cause the suicide; the system did. If kids were allowed and encouraged to retaliate, there wouldn't be as much bullying nor would people be killing themselves over it.
[QUOTE=Crpto2007;34098055]No. once the bully realizes what they did that caused another person to kill them self will most likely haunt them for the rest of their life.[/QUOTE] Some people just don't care.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;34097943]No thats circumstantial nonsense. If you kill yourself it is your fault only. You chose to take your own life rather than look for help. It is no ones fault but your own.[/QUOTE] That's not how the psychology of the suicidal person works though If you want to die you clearly don't want to see someone who will prevent you from dying. The whole suicide concept doesn't make much sense when you're mentally firm, but once you're out of it it's a completely different way of thinking. So I'm saying you can't accuse someone of driving someone else into suicide if the person already had issues, but if the constant bullying was the sole reason the victim got into a suicidal state (And if it can proven that beforehand he had no serious issues in life) then yeah the bully should be charged with that. (Which is again, exactly what happens in some countries)
Yes. It shouldn't be treated as a killing or a murder, obviously, but they should clearly take at least some punishment for it.
Bullying should be a crime. Thank god Michigan is starting to crack down on it. I don't think they should ever get a full murder sentence, but should definitely be punished.
I think bullying should be taken serious instead of just telling the kid to stop.
Problem: Loads of sex offenders Problem: Loads of bullies who asking doesn't stop them doing it. Problem solved.
Depends how serious the bullying was. If it was literally THERE fault for the person's suicide, then yes But if it was just one of many reasons I don't think they should be punished severely, maybe sent to a "Bully Rehab" or w/e
[QUOTE=Kaarristu;34098690]Depends how serious the bullying was. If it was literally THERE fault for the person's suicide, then yes But if it was just one of many reasons I don't think they should be punished severely, maybe sent to a "Bully Rehab" or w/e[/QUOTE] if it's suicide then the bully was never at fault the bully didnt pull the trigger
no if someone commits suicide it was entirely their choice
Not entirely. [u]all[/u] factors should be taken into account when dealing with the consequences...
No, the victim could have committed suicide for other reasons
of course you need to look into all the factors etc etc but all in all they shouldn't, to become suicidal you'd have to become fairly to very depressed and before this point it should of stopped, ultimately it's your responsibility to tell the school or police depending on the situation since all the material and support is out there or at least should be.
Agreed... But you must be in a serious bleak position to contemplate taking your own life... Bullying is bad, and can get really mean, extremely fast, but there are always solutions...
[QUOTE=Shortyish;34096183]My question to you, Mass Debate, is that if a kid was bullied at school or anywhere else and was to go so far as to take his own life due to the bullies, should the bully(or bullies) be accountable for the suicide and be charged for it?[/QUOTE] It depends on how the victim reacts and what the bully had said. If the bully were to say that the victim is a waste of life, and should die, then they should be accountable. If the bully is making jokes and the victim is just over reacting, then the victim should get checked out mentally.
[QUOTE=Ploo;34097706]Suicide is just the modern society's natural selection Let it be.[/QUOTE] there are many capable and talented people who have fallen into depression and taken their own lives, when if they'd had proper therapy beforehand they wouldn't have. Saying that is like saying some disease is just "natural selection".
if you can prove their actions are what caused it then yes it should count as murder.
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