Over 1,000 Russian Athletes in Over 30 Sports Caught Doping
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[quote]A new report by the world’s antidoping watchdog has laid out mountainous proof of Russia’s systematic doping from 2011 to 2015, implicating layers of government employees and more than 1,000 athletes in over 30 sports, and intensifying pressure on the International Olympic Committee to penalize Russia ahead of the 2018 Winter Games.
The evidence, published by the World Anti-Doping Agency, was the coda to a set of investigations conducted by the Canadian lawyer Richard McLaren, who issued a damning report in July that had dramatic repercussions for Russia at the 2016 Rio Olympics.
“It is impossible to know just how deep and how far back this conspiracy goes,” Mr. McLaren said on Friday. “For years, international sports competitions have unknowingly been hijacked by the Russians.”
Mr. McLaren concluded last summer that Russia had orchestrated rampant doping dating back years that crescendoed in an elaborate urine-swapping operation at the 2014 Olympics in Sochi, Russia, confirming what The New York Times reported in May.
But in the face of staunch denials from Russian officials and skepticism from sports authorities reluctant to punish the nation on his word, he and a team have continued their work these last five months.
Asked for their evidence, they zeroed in on the individuals who enabled the cheating as well as those who benefited from it, publishing on Friday more than 1,166 pieces of proof — “immutable facts” — including emails, documents and expert analysis of laboratory and forensic analysis of doping samples.
Among that package were key communications between Russia’s former deputy sports minister Yuri Nagornykh — who was dismissed amid scandal last summer — and Dr. Grigory Rodchenkov, the nation’s former antidoping lab director who told The Times last spring exactly how he had helped top Russian athletes dope on government orders.
Mr. Nagornykh and the sports ministry gave Dr. Rodchenkov explicit direction to cover up top athletes’ use of performance-enhancing steroids, emails and spreadsheets showed.
As Mr. McLaren laid bare nearly all of the cards in his hand on Friday, he made it undisputedly clear the extent to which one of the most powerful sports nations repeatedly cheated.[/quote]
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still beaten by china, uk and the us
you have to wonder how far down the medal table they'd be without doping
Ah, it's like the Soviet Union all over again.
[QUOTE=lintz;51502868]still beaten by china, uk and the us
you have to wonder how far down the medal table they'd be without doping[/QUOTE]
China is all but confirmed to have a state doping program (they never stopped), the UK and the US have had multiple athletes busted for doping.
Anyone who has been involved in athletics doesn't bat an eye at this information being revealed. The only interesting/notable thing about it is that the drug program is being overseen at a state level just like it was in the communist days, rather than the way it is typically done in the rest of the world where its an individual/team basis and then managers and such grease a few palms to turn a blind eye.
[QUOTE=lintz;51502868]still beaten by china, uk and the us
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It's safe to say that all of those countries do the same. Sports is bullshit
[QUOTE=lintz;51502868]still beaten by china, uk and the us
you have to wonder how far down the medal table they'd be without doping[/QUOTE]
All of those other countries have extensive doping programs.
I'd be willing to bet there isn't a single olympian in a physically demanding event who isn't using a PED of some sort. When your livelihood is winning, you do whatever it takes.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;51503466]All of those other countries have extensive doping programs.
I'd be willing to bet there isn't a single olympian in a physically demanding event who isn't using a PED of some sort. When your livelihood is winning, you do whatever it takes.[/QUOTE]
So basically the Olympics is a joke.
Chinese athletes all probably use some extensive doping and get away with it
[QUOTE=UntouchedShadow;51504159]So basically the Olympics is a joke.[/QUOTE]
If by Olympics you mean all professional athletics. Yes.
Cancel the Olympics.
[QUOTE=UntouchedShadow;51504159]So basically the Olympics is a joke.[/QUOTE]
its a joke that we have people we pay to push the envelope of human performance and then get mad at them and try to kill their careers when we find out they are pushing the envelope of human performance.
[QUOTE=jaegerisacunt;51506215]its a joke that we have people we pay to push the envelope of human performance and then get mad at them and try to kill their careers when we find out they are pushing the envelope of human performance.[/QUOTE]
they aren't, though
pushing the envelope I mean
[QUOTE=download;51502869]Ah, it's like the Soviet Union all over again.[/QUOTE]
Pictured: alleged blood doping Russian boxer
[IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/Lundgren_Ivan_Drago.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=UntouchedShadow;51504159]So basically the Olympics is a joke.[/QUOTE]
I'm just hoping one day prosthesis is so badass the paralympics are like augmented super humans.
[QUOTE=UntouchedShadow;51504159]So basically the Olympics is a joke.[/QUOTE]
No.
It's hard for people to understand this because of the stigma surrounding PEDs, but if you magically removed all performance enhancing drugs from the world overnight, Olympians, NFL players, and professional athletes around the world would STILL be the best athletes in the world. Nobody in the Olympics is "cheating" because they are all on the same substances. PEDs are not advanced chemistry, many are extremely basic compounds that can be made on a kitchen stovetop. The US, Russia, China, whoever, aren't pumping their athletes with super-drugs that make them way better than all other athletes. Everyone's on the same HGH, testosterone, and whatnot.
So basically, the playing field is even. It is still a test of natural talent and hard goddamn work. The only thing that the drugs change is the numbers put down at the end of the day. Usain Bolt would be the fastest man in the world without drugs, but he wouldn't be running the low-9 second 100m dashes he and his competitors do.
The Olympics are a truly amazing representation of what the human body is actually capable of when our survival-based endocrine systems are turned into performance-based endocrine systems.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51509002]Olympics are a joke because it ruins the economy of countries that want to host it so the rich can pocket some money, at the expense of the poor.
It's just one big scam and a sham of it's former self thousands of years ago.[/QUOTE]
I mean, that's only when it's hosted in a poor as fuck country who's infrastructure can't support it.
we wont have that problem in the 2020 japan olympics
I mean haven't they been doing this shit for literal decades on and off at best?
[QUOTE=gk99;51516675]I mean haven't they been doing this shit for literal decades on and off at best?[/QUOTE]
first documented use of steroids in athletics was late 1950s by Americans in response to the russians allegedly using testosterone on their athletes. Of course, anabolic steroids are not the only class of drugs in the PED umbrella, but they're significant and really are the cornerstone of the "modern" witches stew of drugs that most of these athletes across the board the take (HGH, EPO and less commonly Insulin make up the other frequently seen components).
As far as the act of taking drugs to enhance performance... the act is probably as old as the notion of organized athletics. Even before the era of steroids there is literature that either directly states or indirectly alludes to the usage of amphetamines and cocaine among other substances.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;51508419]No.
It's hard for people to understand this because of the stigma surrounding PEDs, but if you magically removed all performance enhancing drugs from the world overnight, Olympians, NFL players, and professional athletes around the world would STILL be the best athletes in the world. Nobody in the Olympics is "cheating" because they are all on the same substances. PEDs are not advanced chemistry, many are extremely basic compounds that can be made on a kitchen stovetop. The US, Russia, China, whoever, aren't pumping their athletes with super-drugs that make them way better than all other athletes. Everyone's on the same HGH, testosterone, and whatnot.
So basically, the playing field is even. It is still a test of natural talent and hard goddamn work. The only thing that the drugs change is the numbers put down at the end of the day. Usain Bolt would be the fastest man in the world without drugs, but he wouldn't be running the low-9 second 100m dashes he and his competitors do.
The Olympics are a truly amazing representation of what the human body is actually capable of when our survival-based endocrine systems are turned into performance-based endocrine systems.[/QUOTE]
This THIS [B]THIS[/B].
If anything, the majority of PEDs help with recovery. Being able to train more frequently with less downtime means more extreme progression and higher limits. Great example is with bodybuilding, or even just building strength. Steroids on their own won't magically increase muscle mass or strength numbers. Training still has to be done, but with steroids, again, the training can be more demanding.
More volume with higher resistance in whatever movement(s) your sport requires means you'll have that edge not allowed by normal human limits. It's artificial, yes, but does not change the basics of some athletes simply being better than others.
Another example with lifting weights are belts and squat/deadlfit suits, popular with powerlifting. They essentially reinforce the body in key places better than natural muscle and bones. It's kind of sketchy, and lifters can typically lift something like 2-400lbs more than they might typically do "raw" as most people call it. Still takes one strongass lifter to complete the lift, but the suites account for a minority percentage.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;51508419]Everyone's on the same HGH, testosterone, and whatnot.[/QUOTE]
People should remember this more. While there are some more funky and exotic PEDs used, some of the most effective are chemicals we already have in our body. It's understandable that going over natural human limits blurs the lines, but at the same time, like I sort of already said before, along with Maverick, it doesn't change the mechanics of the body. PEDs pretty much boil down to doing something either with more energy or for a longer duration.
Now one good distinction that can be made is with equipment. In baseball for example, catchers have been known to use sticky gloves and that kind of thing. That is definitely cheating, especially when there is designated gloves and such. Uproar about those kind of issues makes a lot more sense to me than anything about PEDs.
I'd like to see a culture shift for making them legal again. I suppose [I]some[/I] regulation on them would help though. That's still tricky because say you impose dose limits, then there probably would still be ways to use more while avoiding detection. So I don't know what the best way is to go about allowing PEDs while still retaining some degree of regulation.
[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;51506617]I'm just hoping one day prosthesis is so badass the paralympics are like augmented super humans.[/QUOTE]
You already get that in running, if I'm not mistaken. It would be cool to see the rest of the disciplines follow suit though.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;51518139]You already get that in running, if I'm not mistaken. It would be cool to see the rest of the disciplines follow suit though.[/QUOTE]
nah Paralympic runners are still noticeably slower than their Olympic counterparts
30 sports? I'm lucky if I can name 15 sports
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