Syrian soldiers find chemical agents in rebel tunnels near Damascus- state TV
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[QUOTE] Syrian army soldiers have found chemical agents when they entered rebel tunnels in Damascus suburb of Jobar, Syrian TV reports, adding that some of them started suffocating.
Soldiers "entered the terrorists’ tunnels and saw chemical agents," state television quoted a "news source" as saying. "In some cases, soldiers started suffocating while entering Jobar," it said.
"Ambulances came to rescue the people who were suffocating," it added.
The source added that army troops were preparing to storm the suburb where rebels are believed to be based, Reuters reports.
Rebels fighting to oust President Bashar Assad accuse government forces of attacking people in the Damascus suburbs with toxic gas. At the same time, the ruling regime has dismissed the accusations.
However, some Western powers suspect Assad’s forces to be behind the attack that the opposition claims killed anywhere between ‘dozens’ to ‘1,300’ [/QUOTE]
SOURCE [url]http://rt.com/news/rebel-tunnel-damascus-chemical-940/[/url]
no suprise really
Why is everyone using Russia Today as a viable source all of a sudden?
I would say that you have to take reports from the syrian TV with a whole salt mine of salt. It wouldn't surprise me at all if this is just staged to make the rebels look bad.
Of course it's rebels guys, the Syrian goverment is totally not trying to cover their asses right now.
Nope, not at all.
[QUOTE=Sokrates;41950224]Of course it's rebels guys, the Syrian goverment is totally not trying to cover their asses right now.
Nope, not at all.[/QUOTE]
Both sides are pointing their fingers at each other
they are still waiting for proof that the FSA has been using the toxic gas, probably the UN will interfere in this. but it seems unlikely when Assad is winning the war that they are using toxic gas at civilians when they were warned by the US and EU, still its possible that they did
Why do we use RT?
Because most media internationally, and also danish media where I am from, are already saying this is Assad's work and of course we should just move in. There is a real problem if there is no other station that does not count the other way.
The same way every media outlet pushed the news that Saddam had WMD's, all using the same source, was the reason we went to war in Iraq to start with.
People want black and white sources when there are none.
[QUOTE=Beafman;41950290]Why do we use RT?
Because most media internationally, and also danish media where I am from, are already saying this is Assad's work and of course we should just move in. There is a real problem if there is no other station that does not count the other way.
The same way every media outlet pushed the news that Saddam had WMD's, all using the same source, was the reason we went to war in Iraq to start with.
People want black and white sources when there are none.[/QUOTE]RT is an objectively bad source (for god's sake, they're quoting Syrian state news as if it were a reliable source), using it just because it's pushes a different agenda isn't a really good excuse at all. If you've got a different opinion on a situation, you shouldn't need crap like RT to justify or explain it; just type it in and hit post.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;41950313]RT is an objectively bad source (for god's sake, they're quoting Syrian state news as if it were a reliable source), using it just because it's pushes a different agenda isn't a really good excuse at all. If you've got a different opinion on a situation, you shouldn't need crap like RT to justify or explain it; just type it in and hit post.[/QUOTE]
So the rebels are a reliable source? They are pushing their agenda just as well.
[QUOTE=Beafman;41950325]So the rebels are a reliable source? They are pushing their agenda just as well.[/QUOTE]I didn't suggest that, did I? Try reading the post again. The only point I was making is that RT is highly unreliable.
RT telling us that the Syrian army has found rebel chem weapons, a couple of days after a supposed chem attack?
lol ok
[QUOTE=Thom12255;41950195]Why is everyone using Russia Today as a viable source all of a sudden?[/QUOTE]
Are you implying western media aren't biased on this conflict?
[QUOTE=V12US;41950453]Are you implying western media aren't biased on this conflict?[/QUOTE]
Nope, just that RT is complete shit.
[QUOTE=Thom12255;41950477]Nope, just that RT is complete shit.[/QUOTE]
all the news outlets are utter shit
take the BBC they're already put the blame onto the goverment
State TV, and RT.
Lmao
I heard a strategic expert on Al-Jazeera suggesting that, assuming the attack was by the Assad government, it might be a specific faction inside the Syrian military forcing Assad's hand so he won't negotiate with the rebels. It would make sense, because Assad himself isn't dumb enough to order that kind of attack just as UN observers came into Syria.
Here you go faggots
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/24/syrian-chemical-weapons-rebel[/url]
Guardian says that govt claims to have found chems
[QUOTE=Thom12255;41950195]Why is everyone using Russia Today as a viable source all of a sudden?[/QUOTE]
Because they are at times the only ones offering a different view to most other media. The fun part is, RT at least has them sourced from somewhere (the government said they found this) as opposed to mere opinion pieces which show up from other big media outlets.
Nerve gas was used, and we totally think it was Assad.
Not saying either of the views is right or correct, but RT does have slightly better proof. (it's merely a step above from an opinion piece, but still a step)
[QUOTE=wraithcat;41950754]Because they are at times the only ones offering a different view to most other media. The fun part is, RT at least has them sourced from somewhere (the government said they found this) as opposed to mere opinion pieces which show up from other big media outlets.
Nerve gas was used, and we totally think it was Assad.
Not saying either of the views is right or correct, but RT does have slightly better proof. (it's merely a step above from an opinion piece, but still a step)[/QUOTE]
RT isn't a free journalistic platform.
Its a propaganda tool.
Once a reporter ran a story on Georgians being ethnically cleansed from a village and he lost his job for it lol
Because it went against the moscow orchestrated propaganda narrative.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41950908]RT isn't a free journalistic platform.
Its a propaganda tool.
Once a reporter ran a story on Georgians being ethnically cleansed from a village and he lost his job for it lol
Because it went against the moscow orchestrated propaganda narrative.[/QUOTE]
So is every news source in the US. Whats your point exactly? The exact same thing is happening to journalists in America.
[QUOTE=crazyjames;41950951]So is every news source in the US. Whats your point exactly? The exact same thing is happening to journalists in America.[/QUOTE]
Every news source in the US follows a Government imposed narrative?
[QUOTE=crazyjames;41950951]So is every news source in the US. Whats your point exactly? The exact same thing is happening to journalists in America.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you understand, RT is state controlled propaganda. This doesn't exist in America. News in America might be biased as fuck but they are not being controlled behind the scenes by the government.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41950960]Every news source in the US follows a Government imposed narrative?[/QUOTE]
If you seriously believe news agencies in america are operating free from the government you are so naive its laughable.
Wait your British no wonder you believe everything you see on the whimsical flashy washy.
[QUOTE=Jsm;41950961]I don't think you understand, RT is state controlled propaganda. This doesn't exist in America. News in America might be biased as fuck but they are not being controlled behind the scenes by the government.[/QUOTE]
Actually the US has a number of news sources which exist like RTnews. They were merely barred from broadcasting in the US until recently. VoA, RFE and many similar are such media outlets. These are state owned, state financed and broadcast outside of the US.
Current media companies in the US on the other hand tend to be privately owned insitutions, but that doesn't mean they are completely immune to political propaganda either, generally depending on their demographic.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41950908]RT isn't a free journalistic platform.
Its a propaganda tool.
Once a reporter ran a story on Georgians being ethnically cleansed from a village and he lost his job for it lol
Because it went against the moscow orchestrated propaganda narrative.[/QUOTE]
And I'm not saying it is not a propaganda tool. I'm merely saying, that a lot of their reporting holds a bit more fluff than what other media outlets are reporting from time to time, concerning Syria.
[QUOTE=crazyjames;41951001]If you seriously believe news agencies in america are operating free from the government you are so naive its laughable.
Wait your British no wonder you believe everything you see on the whimsical flashy washy.[/QUOTE]
do you only trust infowars or something lmao
considering news agencies in america often so partisan against each other its absolutely dumb to say they are all operated by the same government pushing the same agenda.
i should change the title to why did i choose RT because thats where the whole damn thread is about.
RT is surely on the side of Assad but that doesnt mean everything they post is false, 450 kurds were massacred by Al Nusra which was also posted by RT and well is was true wasnt it ? i can also post syrian news only by the western point of view but that would one sided news to. There is a big chance that an rebel faction used the toxic gas which is not yet confirmed only by the Assad regime so calm your asses down
[QUOTE=crazyjames;41951001]Wait your British no wonder you believe everything you see on the whimsical flashy washy.[/QUOTE]
yes i can personally confirm that everyone in England is Willy Wonka
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41950908]RT isn't a free journalistic platform.
Its a propaganda tool.
Once a reporter ran a story on Georgians being ethnically cleansed from a village and he lost his job for it lol
Because it went against the moscow orchestrated propaganda narrative.[/QUOTE]
Also the multiple times they've ran stories that the Estonian Gov is banning speaking russian or some shit, with literally nothing like being ran through the parliament and the yearly "Estonia is fascist-lover scum" parade, because we defend the estonians who fought in the Wermacht and SS right to have a yearly (peaceful) get-together instead locking them up in prison or smth.
RT is simply not a viable source to answer definitely wether rebels did the attack or not.
[QUOTE=krakadict;41950488]all the news outlets are utter shit
take the BBC they're already put the blame onto the goverment[/QUOTE]
Where did they say this
I'm not seeing it
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23825127[/url]
[quote]UN disarmament chief Angela Kane has arrived in Damascus to push the Syrian government for access to the alleged site of a chemical weapons attack.
It comes as France joined the UK in accusing Bashar al-Assad's forces of carrying out the attack in the capital's eastern suburbs on Wednesday.
US President Obama has said he is weighing his options amid claims that hundreds of civilians were killed.
State media on Saturday said chemical agents were found in rebel-held areas.
Syrian television said soldiers had "suffocated" as they tried to enter Jobar - one of the towns in the Ghouta district around Damascus reportedly attacked on Wednesday.
The foreign ministries of Russia and Iran, both allies of Syria, have separately accused rebels of using chemical weapons.
Damascus has called the allegations "illogical and fabricated".[/quote]
I'm really not gonna take any sources word on this particular report, the original source is from State T.V and we all know how reliable that is. I'll wait till I hear what the U.N's investigation finds.
That fact that the U.N dosen't have access to the site of the attack is huge grounds for suspicion in the first place.
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