• Kentucky Confederate Monument to be Removed after 120 Years
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[QUOTE]LOUISVILLE, Ky. — A Confederate monument will be removed from a spot near the University of Louisville campus where it has stood since 1895. The stone monument honoring Kentuckians who died for the Confederacy in the Civil War will be moved to another location, University President James Ramsey and Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer said during a surprise announcement Friday. The monument is capped with a statue of a Confederate soldier. "It's time for us to move this monument to a more appropriate place," Ramsey said while standing in front of the stone memorial, which sits next to the university's gleaming Speed Art museum that just completed a $60 million renovation. Governments and universities across the country have re-evaluated displays of Confederate symbols following the racially motivated slayings last summer of nine black parishioners at the Emanuel AME church in Charleston, South Carolina. The tall, obelisk-style monument will be disassembled and cleaned while it is in storage awaiting a new location, which has not been determined. It was given to the city by the Kentucky Woman's Monument Association. [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/kentucky-confederate-monument-to-be-removed-after-120-years/ar-BBstqxN?ocid=spartandhp[/url]
well you know people are gonna go batshit
I live in Louisville, no shit has been lost. By now most of Kentucky has realized that the Confederacy is nothing to celebrate.
Regardless of what they fought for, it's a part of US history. This is just so fucking stupid
Well, it's not being destroyed, it's being moved. Stupid but not as stupid as it could be.
I've also seen the monument in person, it's ugly as shit and doesn't do much to honor anybody.
i've always interpreted this stuff as honoring the people that died in the civil war, rather than the idealogy they supported it's a part of our countries history, trying to make it go away isn't going to help anybody
[QUOTE=Bathtub;50237484]i've always interpreted this stuff as honoring the people that died in the civil war, rather than the idealogy they supported it's a part of our countries history, trying to make it go away isn't going to help anybody[/QUOTE] Exactly - it's not a monument to the Confederacy Louisville wasn't a battle site and Kentucky was a Union state but it was very much on the frontier of fighting and I'm guessing enough Louisville natives were killed in the "brother against brother" fighting that they earned a memorial statue. Luckily the statue is being preserved, hopefully in a museum.
[QUOTE=thedude95;50237435]Regardless of what they fought for, it's a part of US history. This is just so fucking stupid[/QUOTE] Not saying it necessarily applies to this case, but history shouldn't be a reason to preserve monuments. It's why they removed monuments to Stalin and Lenin.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50237505]Not saying it necessarily applies to this case, but history shouldn't be a reason to preserve monuments. It's why they removed monuments to Stalin and Lenin.[/QUOTE] Stalin and Lenin statue's are a shitty example because those were made to inflate their egos and spread their image/ideals. Statue's commemorating war dead are just that, commemorating the dead.
I live in Louisville can confirm most people dont even care.
Key word removed. This statue shouldn't be destroyed, but it belongs in a museum
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;50237519]Stalin and Lenin statue's are a shitty example because those were made to inflate their egos and spread their image/ideals. Statue's commemorating war dead are just that, commemorating the dead.[/QUOTE] Which is why I said it doesn't necessarily apply to this. It should be based on meaning not just that someone bothered to put one up.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50237528]Which is why I said it doesn't necessarily apply to this. It should be based on meaning not just that someone bothered to put one up.[/QUOTE] Ah, I got back asswards on how you worded that.
If Germany made a statue to commemorate the Nazi dead, people would be flipping their shit.
[QUOTE=Shark Bones;50237541]If Germany made a statue to commemorate the Nazi dead, people would be flipping their shit.[/QUOTE] Except there are statues and monuments to commemorate German war dead and nobody minds
[QUOTE=Shark Bones;50237541]If Germany made a statue to commemorate the Nazi dead, people would be flipping their shit.[/QUOTE] You can't compare Nazi's to the confederate soldiers
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50237547]Except there are statues to commemorate German war dead and nobody minds[/QUOTE] Not the Nazis. It's illegal to spread Nazi memorabilia in germany. They have statues to the WWI dead, but not the Nazis. [editline]1st May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=thedude95;50237550]You can't compare Nazi's to the confederate soldiers[/QUOTE] Both are responsible for the genocide of a large amount of people, so... yes I can?
[QUOTE=Shark Bones;50237551]Not the Nazis. It's illegal to spread Nazi memorabilia in germany. They have statues to the WWI dead, but not the Nazis.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.thirdreichruins.com/memorials.htm[/url] Yeah really? Tell me all about how these don't exist/
[QUOTE=Shark Bones;50237541]If Germany made a statue to commemorate the Nazi dead, people would be flipping their shit.[/QUOTE] Honestly I'd be fine with it. Respect for the dead doesn't mean respecting their ideology.
You can probably put it in a museum where it's meant to be taken in as a historical thing and not necessarily a celebration. Having it outside constantly looming over black people is not the best choice.
[QUOTE=Shark Bones;50237551]Both are responsible for the genocide of a large amount of people, so... yes I can?[/QUOTE] Wow you are ridiculously ignorant. The Confederacy didn't commit a fucking genocide, get a grip. And neither did the vast majority of German war dead who you're disrespectfully generalizing as "Nazis".
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50237579]You can probably put it in a museum where it's meant to be taken in as a historical thing and not necessarily a celebration. [B]Having it outside constantly looming over black people is not the best choice.[/B][/QUOTE] So lets remove history from a place of higher learning because a specific group is affected by something they don't like yet has no actual bearing on society today. Brilliant, instead of learning our history we're ashamed of it and try to hide it away so we don't have it "loom over others".
move it and put up a statue of Martin Luther King Jr.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;50237599]So lets remove history from a place of higher learning because a specific group is affected by something they don't like yet has no actual bearing on society today. Brilliant, instead of learning our history we're ashamed of it and try to hide it away so we don't have it "loom over others".[/QUOTE] Yeah, that specific group is black people. We should probably not alienate black people. I'm sure black people understand the history - it's just not a great reminder that people died to keep them enslaved. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who's ashamed of our antebellum period and back?
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50237597]Wow you are ridiculously ignorant. The Confederacy didn't commit a fucking genocide, get a grip. And neither did the vast majority of German war dead who you're disrespectfully generalizing as "Nazis".[/QUOTE] Actually, the enslavement and frequent murder of black people WAS a genocide. And you know who wanted to continue it, and fought for the right to do so? The Confederacy. Fuck the Confederate dead, lol. They can eat my asshole with their clammy dead lips.
[QUOTE=Shark Bones;50237622]Actually, the enslavement and frequent murder of black people WAS a genocide. And you know who wanted to continue it, and fought for the right to do so? The Confederacy. Fuck the Confederate dead, lol. They can eat my asshole with their clammy dead lips.[/QUOTE] You're a retard Are you 12? Did you develop your entire worldview via Tumblr? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Craptasket))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50237625]You're a retard[/QUOTE] You should learn how to read history books.
[QUOTE=Shark Bones;50237627]You should learn how to read history books.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure which history book you read that said the confederates all rounded the slaves and executed them. Not sure they would kill all those people they were fighting to keep.
[QUOTE=Shark Bones;50237627]You should learn how to read history books.[/QUOTE] Yeah, totally. I have ancestors who fought under the Confederate flag to prevent a rampaging Union army from burning every single thing in their state, who were effectively slaves themselves - poor French and Irish whites who were bought, sold, beaten and killed under inescapable contracts just the same as black slaves. "Learn how to read history books," demands individual who asserts that all Germans during the WW2 period were Nazis.
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