• Boys aged 13 and 14 arrested over Edmonton murder
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[QUOTE]Four boys, all believed to be aged 13 and 14, have been arrested on suspicion of murdering a 52-year-old man after a row in north London. Police found the man stabbed at his home in The Broadway in Edmonton at about 19:50 GMT on Sunday. Officers suspect there was a "verbal altercation" between the victim and a group of boys trying to gain entry to a party in a block of flats. Formal identification of the victim has not yet taken place. Detectives believe the victim had been involved in an argument with a group of boys, aged in their mid-teens, as he attempted to get into the apartment block.[/quote] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-30479640[/url]
Regardless of Age, if you kill somebody you need to be held responsible and punished accordingly.
[QUOTE=Michael haxz;46717307]Regardless of Age, if you kill somebody you need to be held responsible and punished accordingly.[/QUOTE] in my opinion there's an age limit where the full responsibility of your actions is not percieved until you hit a certain age.
[QUOTE=343N;46717453]in my opinion there's an age limit where the full responsibility of your actions is not percieved until you hit a certain age.[/QUOTE] Murdering people is bad okay.
[QUOTE=343N;46717453]in my opinion there's an age limit where the full responsibility of your actions is not percieved until you hit a certain age.[/QUOTE] For certain things, maybe Blatant Murder, [B][I]Hell No[/I][/B]
Sometimes it feels like their parents should be held responsible somewhat too, because you know, how else would the kids turn out like this.
[QUOTE=Zergeant;46717562]Sometimes it feels like their parents should be held responsible somewhat too, because you know, how else would the kids turn out like this.[/QUOTE] A lot of the time I feel it's the environment more than anything. Parents are often out of control of the environment their children are brought up in. i.e. children of parents in financial difficulties Often of course, the parents are at fault for the environment, in which case, yes the parents are very much responsible.
[QUOTE=343N;46717453]in my opinion there's an age limit where the full responsibility of your actions is not percieved until you hit a certain age.[/QUOTE] If you kill someone at let's say age 10, there's something seriously wrong with you no matter how you look at it.
In this thread: everyone assumes every child is raised knowing what society determines as right and wrong and if they slip up they're deranged because its the parents fault :downs: [highlight](User was banned for this post ("ITT" - Craptasket))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Kylel999;46718485]In this thread: everyone assumes every child is raised knowing what society determines as right and wrong and if they slip up they're deranged because its the parents fault :downs:[/QUOTE] They are 13 and 14, if they don't know killing is wrong then they are mentally ill.
[QUOTE=Kylel999;46718485]In this thread: everyone assumes every child is raised knowing what society determines as right and wrong and if they slip up they're deranged because its the parents fault :downs:[/QUOTE] You learn that killing is wrong at like 2-3 years of age. It's the most widely spread message ever. You'd need to live in the jungle in a tribe where killing is ok for you to think it's fine to kill.
Which is part of my point. People blame the parents for what an independently thinking human being chose to do. They're young but not nearly young enough to say they didn't know any better. But just because they knew better and followed through doesn't mean they are automaticalmly full blown mentally ill, group mentality acts in strange ways. Nowhere does it say that killing the man was entirely intentional.. Everyone just assumes
People don't willingly do what they think is wrong. What's your point.
[QUOTE=Kylel999;46718634]Which is part of my point. People blame the parents for what an independently thinking human being chose to do. They're young but not nearly young enough to say they didn't know any better. But just because they knew better and followed through doesn't mean they are automaticalmly full blown mentally ill, group mentality acts in strange ways. Nowhere does it say that killing the man was entirely intentional.. Everyone just assumes[/QUOTE] Stabbing someone is a sign of mental instability.
[QUOTE=mochisushi;46718642]People don't willingly do what they think is wrong. What's your point.[/QUOTE] A tangent, but what about personal gain?
[QUOTE=Kylel999;46718634]Which is part of my point. People blame the parents for what an independently thinking human being chose to do. They're young but not nearly young enough to say they didn't know any better. But just because they knew better and followed through doesn't mean they are automaticalmly full blown mentally ill, group mentality acts in strange ways. Nowhere does it say that killing the man was entirely intentional.. Everyone just assumes[/QUOTE] I don't know about you, but most times when I'm with my friends I don't have the irresistible urge to break into a house and murder the residents.
Regardless of what happens, this is a piss poor situation. The parents are losing their kids, the kids are probably going to be tried as adults since this was a premeditated murder and spent 10-20 years in prison thus losing a good chunk of their lives, but most importantly, an innocent man was killed by a pack of hooligans. Just sad all around, really.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;46718661]Stabbing someone is a sign of mental instability.[/QUOTE] No mental instability is much worse then that.
[QUOTE=343N;46717453]in my opinion there's an age limit where the full responsibility of your actions is not percieved until you hit a certain age.[/QUOTE] You know you're murdering someone and that it is wrong at 13/14 years old.
[QUOTE=Michael haxz;46717307]Regardless of Age, if you kill somebody you need to be held responsible and punished accordingly.[/QUOTE] ya know if 14 yr olds are murdering people maybe you should hand them over to a psych ward and figure out what's wrong?
[QUOTE=Rubs10;46723078]ya know if 14 yr olds are murdering people maybe you should hand them over to a psych ward and figure out what's wrong?[/QUOTE] Thank you. As a mentally ill person who has never assaulted or murdered, but has been accused of a very serious offense as a youth, I find the responses here for the most part ignorant. I was ill, made a mistake, learned from it, and now I'm living a healthy, happy, and productive life. Yeah, these kids have issues to kill at the age of 13/14, but what are they? Throw them in prison and disregard them or look at their age, minors, look at the circumstances, and evaluate them. Send them to a psych ward for a year or 2 and let them get help. They could've felt their lives were in danger, that this person was a threat or harassing family/friends, it's shady over a party but we're not aware to what was said during the altercation and if that person said "Get the fuck out of here before I go and find your whore mothers and fuck her ovaries dead over you two little shits." as an example, I see how those kids would be angry and scared. TLDR: Help these kids.
[QUOTE=Talishmar;46719640]A tangent, but what about personal gain?[/QUOTE] If they do it for personal gain, they are still doing it willingly, because they think it is not wrong enough for what they are getting in return, overall resulting them in willingly killing someone because it isn't wrong on the whole to them.
[QUOTE=Alyx Zark;46723635]TLDR: Help these kids.[/QUOTE] Nobody said not to help these kids, once again if you do something you need to be held responsible. [QUOTE=Alyx Zark;46723635]They could've felt their lives were in danger, that this person was a threat or harassing family/friends, it's shady over a party but we're not aware to what was said during the altercation and if that person said "Get the fuck out of here before I go and find your whore mothers and fuck her ovaries dead over you two little shits." as an example, I see how those kids would be angry and scared.[/QUOTE] no, they went into this man's home and fucking murdered him [QUOTE]Police found the man stabbed at his home in The Broadway in Edmonton at about 19:50 GMT on Sunday.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kylel999;46718634]Which is part of my point. People blame the parents for what an independently thinking human being chose to do. They're young but not nearly young enough to say they didn't know any better. But just because they knew better and followed through doesn't mean they are automaticalmly full blown mentally ill, group mentality acts in strange ways. Nowhere does it say that killing the man was entirely intentional.. Everyone just assumes[/QUOTE] If you stab someone you generally have the intent to kill them. I'm not going to devolve the topic of debate into the whole nature versus nurture argument, but I am of the belief that an individual, regardless of how independent, is a product of the environment that first raised them. If you are raised in a shitty environment then you generally become a shitty person. Are there exceptions? Yes. But as a general rule of thumb these behaviors manifest due to environmental influence.
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