• Behemoth frontman Adam Darski may be sentenced 2 years in jail for bible tearing
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[quote]According to Reuters, Poland's Supreme Court has ruled that Adam "Nergal" Darski, frontman for Polish extreme metallers BEHEMOTH, committed a crime when when he called the Catholic Church "the most murderous cult on the planet" during the band's September 2007 performance in Gdynia and tore up a copy of the Bible, calling it "a book of lies." [b]A lower court will now decide if Darski is guilty of the crime, which carries a maximum sentence of two years in jail. [/b] "[The decision] is negative and restricts the freedom of speech. The court decided that this is allowed in a democratic system," Jacek Potulski, a lawyer for Darski, told Reuters. He added, "We are still arguing that we were dealing with art, which allows more critical and radical statements." Ryszard Nowak, chairman of the privately run Nationwide Defence Committee Against Sects, told Polish television about today's court ruling, "The Supreme Court said clearly that there are limits for artists which cannot be crossed." Back in August 2011, a Polish judge ruled that Darski's ripping up of a Bible during a show was a form of artistic expression consistent with the style of his band. Judge Krzysztof Wieckowski said he considered Darski's actions "a form of art." He added that the court had no intention of limiting freedom of expression or the right to criticize religion. The court said audience members who testified said their religious feelings had not been hurt despite the fact they were Christians. [b]After the 2007 incident, Nowak sued BEHEMOTH for promoting Satanism.[/b] Although a court expert witness on religious matters said that the act of destroying the Holy Bible could offend somebody's religious feelings, the case was discontinued because no one except Nowak accused BEHEMOTH of insulting their religious beliefs. (Under Polish law, there must be at least two formal complaints before a charge is laid. The previous complaint was made in 2008, and recently an unspecified number of other complaints had been filed.) In a 2009 interview with Decibel magazine, BEHEMOTH bassist Tomasz "Orion" Wróblewski explained that the Bible-tearing incident was by no means a spontaneous outburst. "We'd been doing that for two years on tour before it happened in Poland," he said. "So, we had discussed it many times before. A BEHEMOTH show is a BEHEMOTH show, and BEHEMOTH fans are coming to a BEHEMOTH show. BEHEMOTH fans know what BEHEMOTH is about, know what the lyrics are about, and know at least a little of the philosophy behind the band. So, it's kind of surprising that there are people coming to the shows and feeling offended with what we do onstage. If such a person comes to a show, he comes with the purpose of being offended, I guess, and it shouldn't be like that. We're not offending any particular person. We're just offending the religion that we've been raised in." [/quote] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu8fUlDxhWI&noredirect=1[/media] [b]Pictured below: Adam "Nergal" Darski in court earlier today (Monday, October 29)[/b] [img]http://www.blabbermouth.net/soulflypremiere/nergalcourt1.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.blabbermouth.net/soulflypremiere/nergalcourt2.jpg[/img] [b]the bible tearing itself[/b] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrvv0HRKgqg&noredirect=1[/media] This might not be much news to some here, but as an avid Behemoth fan this is just ridicilous. Source: [url]http://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=181537[/url]
What is he being charged with? The article doesn't seem to say. Also I don't necessarily like what he said - But this definitely isn't a criminal matter. Maybe the church could sue him for slander, but this isn't a matter for the judicial system.
behemoth owns, nergal is the man, blasphemy laws are bullshit. his girlfriend is hot [editline]31st October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=scout1;38247829]What is he being charged with? The article doesn't seem to say. Also I don't necessarily like what he said - But this definitely isn't a criminal matter. Maybe the church could sue him for slander, but this isn't a matter for the judicial system.[/QUOTE] poland has laws against blasphemy lol
[QUOTE=scout1;38247829]What is he being charged with? The article doesn't seem to say. Also I don't necessarily like what he said - But this definitely isn't a criminal matter. Maybe the church could sue him for slander, but this isn't a matter for the judicial system.[/QUOTE] Probably the same as when they said it was a form of art, he was charged with blasphemy.
This isn't the first time this has happened.
[QUOTE=Starship;38247846]Probably the same as when they said it was a form of art, he was charged with blasphemy.[/QUOTE] I can never take "blasphemy" seriously as a criminal act, it just sounds so ridiculous.
Laws against blasphemy.. How 17th century..
Poland, get the fuck out of the medieval era please.
Remove Poland
[url=http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/eu2012.png]Go figure[/url]
[quote]BEHEMOTH fans know what BEHEMOTH is about, know what the lyrics are about, and know at least a little of the philosophy behind the band. So, it's kind of surprising that there are people coming to the shows and feeling offended with what we do onstage. If such a person comes to a show, he comes with the purpose of being offended, I guess, and it shouldn't be like that[/quote] too fucking true
Was I the only one who didn't know what BEHEMOTH is, and at first thought it was literally a metal-crafting corporation from their description?
[QUOTE=willer;38248038]Was I the only one who didn't know what BEHEMOTH is, and at first thought it was literally a metal-crafting corporation from their description?[/QUOTE] They're not that big compared to some bands but I wouldn't say their not known about, but no, if you're not really familiar with this type of music, you probably wouldn't know about them.
Welcome to Poland in country where they release murderers and sentence innocent people, Also fuck the Polish catholic church and their greed.
Meanwhile, somewhere else, 2 boys are getting a few community hours for raping a girl. Theres some pretty backwards shit in this world.
I thought this shit was over, apparently not. Nergal is my fucking Idol, first he got cancer, beat it, and now he has to deal with this shit.
[QUOTE=Beaverlake;38248228]I thought this shit was over, apparently not. Nergal is my fucking Idol, first he got cancer, beat it, and now he has to deal with this shit.[/QUOTE] Buying his book when it comes out in english.
[QUOTE=willer;38248038]Was I the only one who didn't know what BEHEMOTH is, and at first thought it was literally a metal-crafting corporation from their description?[/QUOTE] I thought it was the Newgrounds offshoot, The Behemoth. Sorry.
Poland is one of the most religious countries in the world. That's probably one of the main reasons I dislike Poland
Honestly that's just fucking retarded. But You get a glance of the shit there is to put if with here. Anyway, it was in Ucho, a really nice little music Club. I love the concerts there, the band and the publicity are really close. Best place for Pogo, ever.
I legitimately thought this was going to be a parody article or something. I didn't know Poland still had blasphemy laws, how archaic.
Slaves shall serve. But not fucking Nergal. LAWMAKERS TO THE LIONS!
[quote]The court said audience members who testified said their religious feelings had not been hurt despite the fact they were Christians.[/quote] This is the annoying part for me. Nobody who was there at the time was actually offended by it. A bible isn't a holy artefact, they're printed millions at a time.
Fuck, I saw them at Bloodstock earlier this year and got into them as a result What the hell is up with blasphemy laws? So much for freedom of speech. [editline]30th October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=st0rmforce;38248584]This is the annoying part for me. Nobody who was there at the time was actually offended by it. A bible isn't a holy artefact, they're printed millions at a time.[/QUOTE] Indeed, the Polish judicial system is just partaking in authoritarian prick waving much like an inflated e-pen0r endowed game server admin. I wonder what it is they are overcompensating for...
now i understand why the nazis invaded poland
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;38248645]Fuck, I saw them at Bloodstock earlier this year and got into them as a result What the hell is up with blasphemy laws? So much for freedom of speech. [editline]30th October 2012[/editline] Indeed, the Polish judicial system is just partaking in authoritarian prick waving much like an inflated e-pen0r endowed game server admin. I wonder what it is they are overcompensating for...[/QUOTE] it's because church has way too much power in Poland, even if you go to school RE lessons is not something optional, you need good grade from it if you want to pass, which makes it very unfortunate if you are not catholic.
[QUOTE=Beaverlake;38248228]I thought this shit was over, apparently not. Nergal is my fucking Idol, first he got cancer, beat it, and now he has to deal with this shit.[/QUOTE] Have you read his post-cancer/diagnosis interviews? He's one of the most genuinely optimistic and grateful people I've seen in music. I have a feeling that even if the worst happens here, he'll just patiently wait and use the experience as an opportunity to learn (and write some pretty inspired lyrics, heh)
The medieval era called, they want their bullshit laws back.
Technically he wouldn't be wrong :v:
[QUOTE=Appolox;38248779]it's because church has way too much power in Poland, even if you go to school RE lessons is not something optional, you need good grade from it if you want to pass, which makes it very unfortunate if you are not catholic.[/QUOTE] You can actually choose to attend Ethics lessons instead. Not sure if you can do that in primary school, but you sure can in secondary and high. Also damn, they're pulling this shit again? Oh, and my stepfather actually knows the guy, not that I'm bragging or somethin' :v: Apparently he's a completely different person off stage, which doesn't really surprise me. And to all of you people saying about how Poland's laws are archaic: yeah, that's pretty much true. Really ironic too, as Poland actually used to be one of the most open and tolerant countries (for example, we were one of the few countries to legalize homosexuality, if I remember correctly), but yeah, religion always was a pretty big part of the Polish national identity and shit. Then we got forcefully converted to communism, and people pretty much clung to religion even more, using it as a way to give a 'fuck you' to the Soviets - and that mindset managed to survive until today.
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