• Body camera footage of Dylan Noble shooting released by Fresno Police Department
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[quote]The chief of the Fresno Police Department took the rare step Wednesday of publicly releasing the body-camera video footage of officers fatally shooting an unarmed 19-year-old man last month -- a shooting that has generated fierce protests amid a roiling national debate over police brutality. Chief Jerry Dyer said at a news conference that he decided to release the graphic videos of officers firing four gunshots into Dylan Noble, a white man, because of the intense public interest in the shooting. His decision is expected to heighten the debate about whether video from body-worn cameras on officers should be routinely made public, something that law enforcement agencies and police unions have strongly opposed. Dyer acknowledged that the footage is “extremely disturbing” to watch, but he said he hoped it would clarify what led officers to stop Noble on June 25 and eventually open fire. “I anticipate that some of this video will answer many of the questions out there in this community,” Dyer said. “However, I believe this video is also going to raise questions in the minds of people, just as those questions exist in my mind as well.” The videos show officers spotting Noble’s black pickup and pursuing the truck with police sirens blaring. Dyer said officers had been responding to a report of a man armed with a rifle. [...][/quote] [URL="http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-fresno-police-shooting-video-20160713-snap-story.html"]source[/URL] the stop starts at about 3:30, there is a clearer video in the source [video=youtube;Bxw7xd5vlmY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxw7xd5vlmY[/video]
What the fuck was he doing, it was like a solid three minutes of not complying with direct orders?
they clearly told him he would get shot and he was very clearly not listening even after he was shot. This should be an open and shut case. the kid got shot, reached under his shirt, got shot again, put it back under his shirt I think? what the fuck was that? I'm not good with listening to orders, but this is a whole different level
Do we have a toxicology report from autopsy yet? He's acting like he might be out of it on something, not complying like that with two guns pointed at him.
[QUOTE=MrWhite;50706986]Do we have a toxicology report from autopsy yet? He's acting like he might be out of it on something, not complying like that with two guns pointed at him.[/QUOTE] he definitely didn't comply even after getting shot so I'd love to see what he would have been on, if anything
If he actually is saying "i fucking hate my life" right before the first shot it's possible he was trying to make them think he had a weapon. If he was sober and didn't have any kind of disability, don't know what else. I'm kind of surprised the officer was relying on him to still follow his instructions after he shot him twice though, and it always makes me wonder what they're trained to do if they don't e.g. try to restrain him after he's already been shot and fairly incapacitated.
this is why bodycams can be a blessing for cop and victim. Looks like cop assisted suicide
It's weird that there's so many questions about the last 2 shots being fired, when the officers would have been absolutely in the clear if they had not initially showed restraint and mag dumped him the instant he put his right hand behind his back. They showed restraint, and it makes them look worse than they otherwise would have.
I think this kind of video helps illustrate that the mindset of a US-trained police officer is compared to what other countries experience and better yet show it is a general police problem and not always race. When you have a police force that is trained for the worst-case scenario and is under extreme-pressure to ensure the situation ends before it has a chance to begin, you shouldn't be surprised by the results. When Officers are shown this kind of video for training, you can begin to understand the mindset these guys are conditioned for. (Warning: Disturbing) [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8-ycSkoYfc[/media] Also compiling with cops is generally a good idea, although it will be interesting to see if this was a suicide by cop situation.
Isn't this totally justified? The guy didn't listen to the orders, and kept reaching for something on his back isn't this suicide by cops? because it's like he's provoking the cops to shoot him
Whilst the video certainly paints a much clearer picture of the situation, I do find it rather odd that the officers made no attempt to disarm and restrain him. I understand the officers not wishing to put themselves in harms way, but it didn't look like the gentleman would've been capable of putting up much resistance.
I feel bad for those officers, having to go through that situation.
[QUOTE=Gishank;50707259]Whilst the video certainly paints a much clearer picture of the situation, I do find it rather odd that the officers made no attempt to disarm and restrain him. I understand the officers not wishing to put themselves in harms way, but it didn't look like the gentleman would've been capable of putting up much resistance.[/QUOTE]I gave you a star because you saw what I saw, it seemed like the guy was more eager in killing himself than anything else. That aside, this didn't happen in the UK and there is a very, [I]very[/I] high probability that he could have pulled a handgun from behind his back. As far as resistance goes that puts him on equal terms with the cops, his physical attributes aren't important when he can project a small missile at 800+m/s at any moment.
[QUOTE=Gishank;50707259]Whilst the video certainly paints a much clearer picture of the situation, I do find it rather odd that the officers [b]made no attempt to disarm and restrain him.[/b] I understand the officers not wishing to put themselves in harms way, but it didn't look like the gentleman would've been capable of putting up much resistance.[/QUOTE] I am so tired of seeing this argument. There is no way they are going to get closer to this guy who is not following orders, it doesn't matter if they are 15, 19, 25, 75, drunk, frail, female, or male. It takes a second to pull a handgun or knife from somewhere on your body and the closer you are the more likely you are to get shot or stabbed. There is no way to tell what this guy will do if you try to restrain him, try pull out mace or a taser, or walk up to him with a baton.
[QUOTE=Gishank;50707259]Whilst the video certainly paints a much clearer picture of the situation, I do find it rather odd that the officers made no attempt to disarm and restrain him. I understand the officers not wishing to put themselves in harms way, but it didn't look like the gentleman would've been capable of putting up much resistance.[/QUOTE] To be fair if British police were in the same situation it would been the same outcome instead no bullets but tazers. Disarming is a possibility but he'd need him incapacitated.
[QUOTE=Gishank;50707259]Whilst the video certainly paints a much clearer picture of the situation, I do find it rather odd that the officers made no attempt to disarm and restrain him. I understand the officers not wishing to put themselves in harms way, but it didn't look like the gentleman would've been capable of putting up much resistance.[/QUOTE] Lets stop cops from just stepping out of their vehicles guns blazing and chugging explosive robots first, THEN actually try to get them to use nonlethals and disarming tactics on possibly armed perps.
[QUOTE=Tudd;50707032]I think this kind of video helps illustrate that the mindset of a US-trained police officer is compared to what other countries experience and better yet show it is a general police problem and not always race. When you have a police force that is trained for the worst-case scenario and is under extreme-pressure to ensure the situation ends before it has a chance to begin, you shouldn't be surprised by the results. When Officers are shown this kind of video for training, you can begin to understand the mindset these guys are conditioned for. (Warning: Disturbing) [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8-ycSkoYfc[/media] Also compiling with cops is generally a good idea, although it will be interesting to see if this was a suicide by cop situation.[/QUOTE] That guy was only executed last year for this crime. The shooting itself is insane.
[QUOTE=Mabus;50707440]The shooting itself is insane.[/QUOTE] Insane people do insane things. Hence cops being given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to putting their lives on the line.
[QUOTE=$$>MUFFIN<$$;50707400]I am so tired of seeing this argument. There is no way they are going to get closer to this guy who is not following orders, it doesn't matter if they are 15, 19, 25, 75, drunk, frail, female, or male. It takes a second to pull a handgun or knife from somewhere on your body and the closer you are the more likely you are to get shot or stabbed. There is no way to tell what this guy will do if you try to restrain him, try pull out mace or a taser, or walk up to him with a baton.[/QUOTE] That's a piss poor excuse to laziness. [editline]14th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Zephyrs;50707531]Insane people do insane things. Hence cops being given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to putting their lives on the line.[/QUOTE] There should be no benefit of the doubt when it comes to murder.
[QUOTE=Megadave;50707562]That's a piss poor excuse to laziness.[/QUOTE] lol what, laziness? - Nah, Dave, I don't feel like subduing this dude, let's just shoot him and be done with it. - Right, you up for a beer after that?
[QUOTE=Megadave;50707562]That's a piss poor excuse to laziness. [editline]14th July 2016[/editline] There should be no benefit of the doubt when it comes to murder.[/QUOTE] I guess laziness means taking precautions to not get shot
What a damn idiot. Dude reached for something like multiple times even after being shot. Crazy. Had to have been on something.
[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50707617]I guess laziness means taking precautions to not get shot[/QUOTE] If one of those precautions is to just shoot the dude then yeah.
[QUOTE=Megadave;50707639]If one of those precautions is to just shoot the dude then yeah.[/QUOTE] When the man is approaching you and reaching for something after being told for a solid minute to not do either of those things, shooting him starts looking like an awful good idea.
I don't know if I agree with shooting him on the ground. I feel like two adults sized males could have easily rushed him to restrain his arms after he was shot.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50707793]I don't know if I agree with shooting him on the ground. I feel like two adults sized males could have easily rushed him to restrain his arms after he was shot.[/QUOTE] Why take the risk?
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50707793]I don't know if I agree with shooting him on the ground. I feel like two adults sized males could have easily rushed him to restrain his arms after he was shot.[/QUOTE] I do think police in the USA is quite brutal, especially when it comes to petty things, but I don't feel this is one of those situations. Citizens in the USA can carry weapons and he showed signs of instability, it's a very risky situation for the officers and other bystanders. Unfortunately it's an ugly situation that doesn't seem to be easily fixable unless you have a way of retraining someone without giving that person dozens of seconds to react.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;50707813]Why take the risk?[/QUOTE] Because cops are supposed to have superhuman senses, speed, and mental fortitude and know exactly what and how to do everything when handling an obviously disturbed and possibly armed individual.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;50707813]Why take the risk?[/QUOTE] Look from my point of view he was clearly incapacitated, I understand that they didn't know what he had on his person but again -from my observation of the video- it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility to effectively restrain him. [editline]14th July 2016[/editline] I'm not disagreeing with shooting him prior to him being on the ground but it doesn't take a mensa level genius to know how to immobilize someone.
[QUOTE=bunguer;50708000]I do think police in the USA is quite brutal, especially when it comes to petty things, but I don't feel this is one of those situations. Citizens in the USA can carry weapons and he showed signs of instability, it's a very risky situation for the officers and other bystanders. Unfortunately it's an ugly situation that doesn't seem to be easily fixable unless you have a way of retraining someone without giving that person dozens of seconds to react.[/QUOTE] From the distance of the camera to the suspect it only looked like a few feet, two Officers could have easily immobilized his entire body in a matter of seconds. Though I'm not experienced in LE restraint but I am in a Hospital setting with combative patients.
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