• Conservatives lash out at GOP spending binge
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[quote]Deficit hawks in Congress and conservative activists who railed against President Barack Obama’s spending plans called the GOP debt explosion “dangerous,” ″immoral” and “a betrayal.” American Conservative Union chairman Matt Schlapp warned the Republican-controlled Congress not to underestimate the impact of responsible spending for voters. “If the Republicans in Congress don’t realize that spending control is one of the most important issues that our winning coalition cares about, if they are cavalier about spending decisions, I think we do risk our ability to go to the voters and say it matters to have us in the majority,” he said. Americans for Prosperity, the political arm of the network backed by the conservative billionaires Charles and David Koch, described the recent spending from Trump and Congress “a far cry from the so-called fiscal responsibility Americans heard on the campaign trail.” Voters may forgive Trump’s spending habits because he’s new to Washington, but they will not be as kind to Republicans on the midterm ballots, said David McIntosh, president of the conservative Club for Growth, who lashed out at last week’s Republican-backed spending plan as “of the swamp, by the swamp and for the swamp.” “They’re not going to give a pass to the Republicans in Congress unless they start doing something to restrain the growth of government,” he said. “You can’t let (Senate Majority Leader) Mitch McConnell and the spenders in the Senate set the agenda this year,” McIntosh continued. “Because politically, if they set the agenda, then you’re going to see big losses in the House and the Senate.” Trump’s spending plan is like “throwing gasoline on a house that’s already on fire,” said David Biddulph, co-founder of a national organization fighting for a balanced budget amendment. “I think it’s awful what we’re doing to our grandkids.” A self-described fiscal conservative, he blamed the political system more than the Republican Party for the latest spending binge. Yet he encouraged Trump to do more to cut spending on Medicare and Social Security, which he left largely untouched in his budget. If not, Biddulph said, “I don’t know that we’ll ever dig our way out of this hole.”[/quote] [url=https://apnews.com/e89f414585204fdea6efacf930806738/Conservatives-lash-out-at-GOP-spending-binge]AP[/url]
that spending plan is like the antithesis of the people who are actually republicans you have a crazy deficit in the wings to infuriate the fiscal conservatives/the people who have been bitching about obama's budgets for eight years and you have the massive welfare cuts that screw the bulk of the republican voters, the people who, y'know, use these services I know the GOP are basically beholden to their corporate benefactors, but it still seems dangerously out of touch
[url]https://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/20/the-origin-of-modern-republican-fiscal-policy/[/url] [url]http://wallstreetpit.com/26546-jude-wanniski-taxes-and-a-two-santa-theory/[/url] Trump and Co are basically taking this theory to the extreme. It will be a divine miracle if we don't pull another 1987/2008 style crash in the next 5 years
Have to say I'm surprised to see Republicans calling out the party for violating a basic supposed tenet of Republican policy, given how increasing the deficit has never seemed like a problem to them before.
[QUOTE=catbarf;53128455]Have to say I'm surprised to see Republicans calling out the party for violating a basic supposed tenet of Republican policy, given how increasing the deficit has never seemed like a problem to them before.[/QUOTE] True, but it is a bit more excessive than the standard fare this time around. And before they could blame it on the D controlled house/senate/white house. They have [I]zero[/I] excuse now and have to face the fact that the spending nightmare is wholly and entirely the GOPs idea, and they have no choice but to call it out.
The Republican party stretched itself too thin - it has no unified vision, only a collection of ideas different subgroups want. The anarchists (excuse me, "fiscal conservatives") want the government to exist as little as possible. The fundamentalists (excuse me, "religious right") want to use the government to enforce their own beliefs on everyone. The nationalists want a huge military to fight threats that don't exist, because they're scared of foreigners on principle. You can work towards all those goals for only so long before they start pulling in different directions. Successive GOP Congresses have slashed the budget to the point that all that's left is Social Security and the DOD - you can't take funding from benefits programs, because half the fundies are on food stamps, and you can't take funding from the military without being branded a traitor by the nationalists. The fundamentalists are at an impasse because they've already pretty much banned the government from spending money on anything they disapprove of, so going further would require extending the government further, which the anarchists will fight. And the nationalists are starting to turn into a liability in general, because [I]holy shit guys there are nazi rallies going on in America again what the fuck is going on[/I] Sooner or later, one of those subgroups is going to have to give, either defecting to the democrats or dissolving as a political force entirely. I don't know which but I do know they can't keep going as they are forever. At this point they're only held together by zealous party loyalty, which is hurting them because they can't make the deals with Democrats they need because their majority isn't big enough to win without either full buy-in from all their subgroups, or buy-in from a good chunk of Democrats (who do have their own sub-groups, but fewer problems of fragmentation).
Honestly at this point I want the republicans to create their unrestrainted explotitative market utopia, just so that when it flops fucking hard everyone will finally see through their bullshit.
The Republican Party has no intention of reducing let alone fixing the national debt. All their talk of fiscal responsibility during the Obama era, all their concern over the “debt clock,” all their promises of sustainable governance were bullshit. In practice, the Republican Party has only one goal: loot the government for as much as they can get away with and redistribute it to the already super-rich in the form of obscene tax cuts. They have no intention of ever paying off the deficit, because even the relatively small amount they might recoup from convincing the general public to tolerate the gutting of Medicare and other social programs for inevitable bailouts and short-term funding deals is completely insignificant compared to the cost being heaped on the middle and lower class. These are evil people who see the machine of government—fueled by our tax dollars—as nothing more than a treasure chest to steal from. And the longer people continue to vote Republicans into office and tolerate their destructive agenda, the worse it gets. What’s happening is not sustainable. There will come a breaking point, either when the middle and lower classes have nothing left to be stolen or the institutions of government break apart altogether. I only hope we can fix this before that happens.
[QUOTE=Firetornado;53128578]Honestly at this point I want the republicans to create their unrestrainted explotitative market utopia, just so that when it flops fucking hard everyone will finally see through their bullshit.[/QUOTE] They won't though. They'll just blame it on the Democrats, or the "deep state" or some other pathetic excuse, and return to square one. Rinse and repeat.
[QUOTE=Marcolade;53129122]They won't though. They'll just blame it on the Democrats, or the "deep state" or some other pathetic excuse, and return to square one. Rinse and repeat.[/QUOTE] "If the Democrats had just given our New New Deal just a little more of a chance and worked with us then it would've succeeded. Instead, they were out to destroy it from the beginning, sabotaging the deal from within (like the traitors they are subtext-dogwhistle)." You can hear it, literally, right now with Donald Trump. People are advocating that [I]all resistance and critical thought[/I] be suspended until Trump 'wins' - and until he wins, which he will because they say so, we're not to take anything he does as evidence he 'won't win'. "These are the reasons Trump is not doing well for our country." "Give him a chance." "We gave him a year already and he's not showing any improveme-" "[I]Give him a chance![/I]" "What exactly do you think is going to change if we do?" "He'll make America great again!" "Why do you think that?" "Because he will. See, you're still not giving him a chance. This is the problem, right here. You're not willing to give him a chance - you've already decided that he's failed." e: These are also the same sorts of people who think it's "okay" that we're being attacked by Russia because, apparently, we 'deserve it'. [url=https://www.cbsnews.com/news/post-election-is-the-u-s-still-a-nation-divided-oprah-winfrey-reports/]If you don't believe me, here's a roundtable discussion demonstrating exactly that sort of stuff.[/url]
[QUOTE=Firetornado;53128578]Honestly at this point I want the republicans to create their unrestrainted explotitative market utopia, just so that when it flops fucking hard everyone will finally see through their bullshit.[/QUOTE] People still believe trickle down economics works. People who run our government.
During his campaign, Trump claimed to be "the king of debt," who knew "more about debt than anybody." He stated that his plan for our economy was to run up a massive amount of debt, crash the economy, and refuse to pay back what we owe. We could do that, he said, because we can "just print more money" to buy back the debt at a discount. [url]https://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/trump-king-of-debt-224642[/url] [url]https://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/trump-no-debt-default-222957[/url] The man doesn't understand the first fucking thing about economics.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;53129302]During his campaign, Trump claimed to be "the king of debt," who knew "more about debt than anybody." He stated that his plan for our economy was to run up a massive amount of debt, crash the economy, refuse to pay back what we owe. We could do that, he said, because we can "just print more money." The man doesn't understand the first fucking thing about economics.[/QUOTE] To be fair, that exact strategy was how his last dozen business ventures went. Run up a ton of debt, refuse to pay it back, and force people to deal with it because they owe you so much money that if you declared bankruptcy you might ruin them. Or just declare bankruptcy anyways after spending all the money on yourself or at businesses you also own. Anyone who didn't see a Trump regime turning out [I]incredibly badly[/I] was either not paying attention, or a fucking idiot.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;53129302]During his campaign, Trump claimed to be "the king of debt," who knew "more about debt than anybody." He stated that his plan for our economy was to run up a massive amount of debt, crash the economy, refuse to pay back what we owe. We could do that, he said, because we can "just print more money." The man doesn't understand the first fucking thing about economics.[/QUOTE] Gonna need a big ol source on that one BDA, that shit sound too bonkers and stupid to be believed (although in this political sphere...) -edit- Never mind I found a politico link. I hate everything. [url]https://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/trump-king-of-debt-224642[/url] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;53129319]Just edited to include two.[/QUOTE] Appreciated none the less.
[QUOTE=doomkiwi;53129315]Gonna need a big ol source on that one BDA, that shit sound too bonkers and stupid to be believed (although in this political sphere...)[/QUOTE] Just edited to include two. [editline]13th February 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=gman003-main;53129312]To be fair, that exact strategy was how his last dozen business ventures went. Run up a ton of debt, refuse to pay it back, and force people to deal with it because they owe you so much money that if you declared bankruptcy you might ruin them. Or just declare bankruptcy anyways after spending all the money on yourself or at businesses you also own. Anyone who didn't see a Trump regime turning out [I]incredibly badly[/I] was either not paying attention, or a fucking idiot.[/QUOTE] He also knew he could bully people who attempted to litigate for this tactic, because his favorite companies to stiff on payment were those who couldn't afford to face his lawyers in court. Even if those contractors were 100% guaranteed to get their full payment if they lasted through the courts, Trump's lawyers would delay and obstruct things for so long that the smaller fish's legal fees would become too exorbitant to continue. He did this over and over again, destroying the companies he hired to work for him by dragging them through this lose-lose process after refusing to pay them for their work. Trump is a [B]massive[/B] scumbag.
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;53129282]"If the Democrats had just given our New New Deal just a little more of a chance and worked with us then it would've succeeded. Instead, they were out to destroy it from the beginning, sabotaging the deal from within (like the traitors they are subtext-dogwhistle)." You can hear it, literally, right now with Donald Trump. People are advocating that [I]all resistance and critical thought[/I] be suspended until Trump 'wins' - and until he wins, which he will because they say so, we're not to take anything he does as evidence he 'won't win'. "These are the reasons Trump is not doing well for our country." "Give him a chance." "We gave him a year already and he's not showing any improveme-" "[I]Give him a chance![/I]" "What exactly do you think is going to change if we do?" "He'll make America great again!" "Why do you think that?" "Because he will. See, you're still not giving him a chance. This is the problem, right here. You're not willing to give him a chance - you've already decided that he's failed." e: These are also the same sorts of people who think it's "okay" that we're being attacked by Russia because, apparently, we 'deserve it'. [url=https://www.cbsnews.com/news/post-election-is-the-u-s-still-a-nation-divided-oprah-winfrey-reports/]If you don't believe me, here's a roundtable discussion demonstrating exactly that sort of stuff.[/url][/QUOTE] Remember when the 'yeah well maybe the US [I]deserves[/I] to get fucked with by Russia!' conservatives were popping up on this forum a year or so ago? Dayum that was the most surreal shit right there.
[QUOTE=froztshock;53129663]Remember when the 'yeah well maybe the US [I]deserves[/I] to get fucked with by Russia!' conservatives were popping up on this forum a year or so ago? Dayum that was the most surreal shit right there.[/QUOTE] wasn't the exact idea something like: America meddled in the elections of other countries so it's not a big deal when russia does it to america? lmao what even is politics over there any more?
[QUOTE=fulgrim;53129677]wasn't the exact idea something like: America meddled in the elections of other countries so it's not a big deal when russia does it to america? lmao what even is politics over there any more?[/QUOTE] It's when you know that so much FOX nonsense, conspiracy bullshit, and propaganda has gotten into their brains that they view their countrymen (well, their democrat countrymen) as enemies and a regime that has people killed on the regular in a country that's run like an organized crime syndicate as their friend. You see, if the Russians are helping them fight the damn dirty no good liberals then obviously they're our friends, right? That's the reality of it at this point, from my PoV. They know they're playing dirty with foreign influence, they're just the sort that's conditioned not to give a fuck about doing things the right way. I remember an article on here about gerrymandering with a quote from one of the republicans responsible that was basically just a flat-out admission that yeah, they were cheating, because hey at least it prevents the democrats from being in power!
[QUOTE=froztshock;53129663]Remember when the 'yeah well maybe the US [I]deserves[/I] to get fucked with by Russia!' conservatives were popping up on this forum a year or so ago? Dayum that was the most surreal shit right there.[/QUOTE] Were those actually conservatives? I just assumed they were Russians. "A u vas negrov linchuyut" is a classic Russian propaganda trick.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;53129704]Were those actually conservatives? I just assumed they were Russians. "A u vas negrov linchuyut" is a classic Russian propaganda trick.[/QUOTE] Some of the perma-d offenders had been around for a while prior to Trump driving them off the deep end. PVT Martin strikes me as a particularly sad one that I remember. Was friends with that guy, said something anti Trump and he never talked to me again.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;53129709]Some of the perma-d offenders had been around for a while prior to Trump driving them off the deep end. PVT Martin strikes me as a particularly sad one that I remember. Was friends with that guy, said something anti Trump and he never talked to me again.[/QUOTE] He was a weird case because when I talked to him privately he wasn't even particularly pro-Trump, just anti-Hilary, but not long before he got perma'd he became weirdly religious about Trump. Very bizarre.
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;53129282]These are also the same sorts of people who think it's "okay" that we're being attacked by Russia because, apparently, we 'deserve it'.[/QUOTE] I still remember the poster on The_Donald who claimed he would gladly accept arms from Russia to fight the Globalists if Trump lost. There are people who would rather have America fall to violent far-right revolution under a Russian puppet-master than be run by Democrats.
That's how you know the GOP Brainwashing and Gaslighting are in full effect
Rand Paul despite his flaws put it best the other day "When Democrats are in control Republicans are the (fiscally) conservative party, when Republicans are in control, there is no (fiscally) conservative party."
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;53129302]During his campaign, Trump claimed to be "the king of debt," who knew "more about debt than anybody." He stated that his plan for our economy was to run up a massive amount of debt, crash the economy, and refuse to pay back what we owe. We could do that, he said, because we can "just print more money" to buy back the debt at a discount. [url]https://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/trump-king-of-debt-224642[/url] [url]https://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/trump-no-debt-default-222957[/url] The man doesn't understand the first fucking thing about economics.[/QUOTE] Treating the federal debt like a stock buyout plan.
[QUOTE=Durandal;53130748]Rand Paul despite his flaws put it best the other day "When Democrats are in control Republicans are the (fiscally) conservative party, when Republicans are in control, there is no (fiscally) conservative party."[/QUOTE] ya but he also voted for the tax cuts that were completely fiscally irresponsible, as well as continually voting the party line on just about every other defense bill. he gets to be the one vote against everything because his vote litterally does not matter as long as they have the VP
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