FOX: House Clears Way for Floor Vote on Health Care Law Repeal
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[B]FOX
House Clears Way for Floor Vote on Health Care Law Repeal[/B]
[release]The House of Representatives has cleared the way to hold a vote next week on repealing the health care overhaul, while at the same time dealing with a parliamentary snag over the credentials of two GOP lawmakers.
In a test vote Friday, the House formally approved the rules for debate on the health law repeal. The procedural measure passed largely along party lines on a 236-181 vote.
"Today we are taking the first step in fulfilling a key promise to the American people," said Rep. David Dreier, R-Calif., who led the GOP side in the debate. "We are setting in motion a process to repeal President Obama's job-killing health care bill and replace it with real solutions."
The move sets up a rhetorical battle ahead of a full vote in the House Wednesday. That vote is seen as largely symbolic, since Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has vowed to block it in the Senate -- and President Obama would surely veto anything of the sort that clears Congress.
But the repeal, one of the Republican House majority's first orders of business, has generated heated debate in Washington all the same. Democratic Rep. Jared Polis of Colorado said ahead of Friday's test vote that despite the bill's brevity -- it's only two pages -- it will "probably be the biggest bill we'll vote on this Congress."
Democrats slammed the GOP after a Congressional Budget Office report on Thursday estimated that the repeal would add $230 billion to the deficit over the next 10 years. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi issued a statement Friday saying the repeal would hurt the economy, hurt the budget and "put insurance companies back in charge of the health of the American people."
Democrats also charged that Republicans violated their own transparency pledge by bringing the repeal to the floor without committee hearings.
But Republicans countered that the health care legislation was debated extensively in the last Congress and that the party's large gains in November gives them a mandate to target the controversial package. The party dismissed the CBO figure and pledged to push forward, eventually with the goal of creating a new health care package to replace it.
House Speaker John Boehner said Thursday that his party wants to repeal the law because it's getting in the way of job creation.
But as the House battles anew over the health care bill, lawmakers were also engaged in a peculiar tiff on the sidelines over whether two GOP lawmakers were actually bona fide members of Congress earlier this week. The dispute centered on Reps. Pete Sessions, R-Texas, and Mike Fitzpatrick, R-Pa., who ducked out of the swearing-in ceremony in the House Wednesday. This might have been quietly corrected if not for the fact that Republicans led a ceremonial reading of the U.S. Constitution on the House floor Thursday. That opened the door to charges of hypocrisy.
"This is the day we read the Constitution. We don't want to be in violation of that," said Rep. Louise Slaughter, D-N.Y., ranking Democrat on the House Rules Committee. The Rules Committee adjourned abruptly Thursday after realizing the problem. Slaughter called for the committee, of which Sessions and Fitzpatrick are members, to start over on Friday.
But Republicans instead attached a provision to the health care test vote meant to resolve the conundrum. The resolution, approved on a 257-159 vote, invalidated the roll-call votes both lawmakers made before realizing the error, while counting as legitimate all other actions the members took.
Both members were formally sworn in Thursday afternoon. Fitzpatrick said this was done out of an "abundance of caution." Both he and Sessions attempted to take the oath Wednesday in front of a television in the Capitol Visitor Center, but that didn't satisfy some lawmakers.
[I]Fox News' Chad Pergram and John Brandt and The Associated Press contributed to this report.[/I][/release]
Source: [url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/07/house-debates-health-care-repeal-amid-drama-lawmaker-credentials/#ixzz1APtF68Ty[/url]
This is no Joke. They are serious about this.
Big deal. They can't do it, anyway.
Won't happen.
veto veto veto veto
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"Today we are taking the first step in fulfilling a key promise to the American people,"[/quote]
man i ain't ask you to fulfill shit
Just take out the mandate to buy insurance, and the rest is pretty ok.
[quote]Democrats slammed the GOP after a Congressional Budget Office report on Thursday estimated that the repeal would add $230 billion to the deficit over the next 10 years.[/quote]The goal was to cut something because people didn't want to pay for it...how does cutting it end up costing more money, unless it's too late to cut? And if it did, isn't that counter-intuitive? Then it's just getting rid of something because you don't like it, not because you're actually improving anything by doing it. Fuck, this is weird.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;27274157]The goal was to cut something because people didn't want to pay for it...how does cutting it end up costing more money, unless it's too late to cut? And if it did, isn't that counter-intuitive? Then it's just getting rid of something because you don't like it, not because you're actually improving anything by doing it. Fuck, this is weird.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, turning around now won't help the situation. America just has to see this shit through.
Glaber, why do you want to take a step back from what the rest of the world has and is doing better with?
The U.S spends more per capita than any other country on medicine and yet, is one of the lower countries on any recent lists based on medicine. It's ridiculous to think that is okay in the system. To think that works.
I'm gonna wait patiently for their efforts to fail miserably.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;27274157]The goal was to cut something because people didn't want to pay for it...how does cutting it end up costing more money, unless it's too late to cut? And if it did, isn't that counter-intuitive? Then it's just getting rid of something because you don't like it, not because you're actually improving anything by doing it. Fuck, this is weird.[/QUOTE]The bill itself implements various savings and taxes to offset it's cost, plus one of the main ideas of having 35 million people get health insurance is to make the industry more profitable, and thus reduce premiums for everyone. It, of course, remains to be seen how that works out once the deadline is hit (a lot of the stuff in the bill is delayed, for reasons as yet unknown)
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;27275889]The bill itself implements various savings and taxes to offset it's cost, plus one of the main ideas of having 35 million people get health insurance is to make the industry more profitable, and thus reduce premiums for everyone. It, of course, remains to be seen how that works out once the deadline is hit (a lot of the stuff in the bill is delayed, for reasons as yet unknown)[/QUOTE]
Implementation times and all, give the Health care companies time to come up with other legal loopholes.
Also didn't I hear something about Obama being able to veto it and them needing 75% of congress votes to overturn it?
[QUOTE=Devodiere;27276064]Also didn't I hear something about Obama being able to veto it and them needing 75% of congress votes to overturn it?[/QUOTE]Indeed, the President has the option of vetoing. I can only imagine what the political repercussions of that would be for him, though.
Implementation is going to be hard with companies getting waivers to exempt them from it.
[QUOTE=Glaber;27276094]Implementation is going to be hard with companies getting waivers to exempt them from it.[/QUOTE]Source? And for the love of god, don't post a Fox News link.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;27276092]Indeed, the President has the option of vetoing. I can only imagine what the political repercussions of that would be for him, though.[/QUOTE]
Just like when the Republicans tried to impeach Bill Clinton, it's a play to undermine the President and wouldn't really backfire at all. If anything it would show he has the balls to stand up to them when need be.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;27276108]Just like when the Republicans tried to impeach Bill Clinton, it's a play to undermine the President and wouldn't really backfire at all. If anything it would show he has the balls to stand up to them when need be.[/QUOTE]Hm, I would've thought it would result in the opposition becoming more deeply entrenched. At the very least, it would go some way to "confirming" the far-far-right's delusions of persecution
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;27276138]Hm, I would've thought it would result in the opposition becoming more deeply entrenched. At the very least, it would go some way to "confirming" the far-far-right's delusions of persecution[/QUOTE]
Not sure there's any way they could become even more entrenched. If he vetoes it, he seems like he's opposing them. If he doesn't, he's a massive pussy to everyone. At least if he vetoes it then he gets some respect for actually doing something and if he handles it right, could push the extremist right even further from reality alienating everyone in the process.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;27276095]Source? And for the love of god, don't post a Fox News link.[/QUOTE]
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[quote]The waiver program is intended to provide continuous coverage until 2014, when government-organized marketplaces will offer insurance subsidized by tax credits, says HHS spokeswoman Jessica Santillo.[/quote]
sup
Guys, don't argue with glaber, he's said himself "He's locking into his views". He's too fucking ignorant and naive to realize how stupid it is to be OK with locking into views like this.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27276245]Guys, don't argue with glaber, he's said himself "He's locking into his views". He's too fucking ignorant and naive to realize how stupid it is to be OK with locking into views like this.[/QUOTE]
One of the reasons I usually argue pro-Israel is that a lot of people on the other side are fairly locked into their ideas. I don't expect to change them but it is an awesome kind of trolling causing cognitive dissonance in them.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;27276220]sup[/QUOTE]
With the way things are going, do you honestly think Obama care is going to survive that long to get to that stage of enactment?
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;27274118]Just take out the mandate to buy insurance, and the rest is pretty ok.[/QUOTE]
The mandate is the only thing that will bring down costs short of a public option
[QUOTE=Glaber;27281803]With the way things are going, do you honestly think Obama care is going to survive that long to get to that stage of enactment?[/QUOTE]
Yes. The Republicans can't get rid of it and more people than not like the changes.
[QUOTE=Glaber;27281803]With the way things are going, do you honestly think Obama care is going to survive that long to get to that stage of enactment?[/QUOTE]
Did you just argue that health care reform should be repealed, because it sucks, because it will be repealed
[QUOTE=smurfy;27282371]Did you just argue that health care reform should be repealed, because it sucks, because it will be repealed[/QUOTE]
That bug has been logged several times already, maybe it will be fixed in GlaberLogic 1.1
The House is meaningless as long as the Senate rules remain unchanged. It goes both ways.
I don't pay taxes and I squat in an abandoned house, will this affect ME in any way?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;27282421]That bug has been logged several times already, maybe it will be fixed in GlaberLogic 1.1[/QUOTE]
Too bad GlaberLogic is abandonware.
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