Jony Ive says you don't want a bigger battery in your iPhone
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[url]http://www.cnet.com/news/you-wouldnt-like-a-bigger-battery-in-your-iphone-says-apples-ive/[/url]
[quote=CNET]Admit it, you've cursed at your iPhone once or twice.
Just when you needed it most, it left you. Or, rather, its battery did. It left you standing in the middle of a bar, embarrassingly unable to post an Instagram image of your latest purple designer drink.
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Apple design chief Jony Ive sympathizes with your plight. Not at all, really.
In an interview with the Financial Times, he was asked whether a longer lasting battery might be a boon to the human/iPhone love story.[/quote]
Ive, don't get so fruity.
EDIT: He does have a point, to a point. Everyone's playing the weight game with smartphones these days. If Apple crams a bigger battery in their phones, and it ends up heavier than another phone on the market, someone else gets to steal their "lighter, thinner, better" marketing strategy. And that does not a happy Zombie Jobs make.
One of the main reasons I love my iPhone 5 is because of the massive battery it boasts. My phone can last several days on a single charge and usually charges up in about an hour or two.
Saying that we don't want a bigger/better battery in our phones sounds retarded.
My iPhone 5s battery seems to go down the shitter as soon as I open up snapchat, but if I don't it last a very long time
I still think the iPhone would benefit off a bigger battery
There was a "What about X? / staff meeting" meme about it too.
apple should keep going the way of making the most out of smaller batteries, rather than going other routes such as throw batteries (and weight, which is the point Ive is making) at it until it's okay
this is a horrible title
[editline]11th March 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE]On the other hand, humans tend to be driven by irrationalities. Even if we're aware of them, we're not often stable enough to subvert them with fine, rational decision-making.
I wonder if Apple suddenly released a heavier iPhone there would be an outcry that designer purses were being overloaded and that the pockets of $300 jeans were suddenly enduring torn seams.
I wonder also whether Apple would merely tell people they were storing it wrong.[/QUOTE]
cnet, ladies and gentlemen. quality tech journalism
This writer is tops gotta say
[QUOTE]I wonder if Apple suddenly released a heavier iPhone there would be an outcry that designer purses were being overloaded and that the pockets of $300 jeans were suddenly enduring torn seams.
I wonder also whether Apple would merely tell people they were storing it wrong.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=woolio1;47298675]Ive, don't get so fruity.
EDIT: He does have a point, to a point. Everyone's playing the weight game with smartphones these days. If Apple crams a bigger battery in their phones, and it ends up heavier than another phone on the market, someone else gets to steal their "lighter, thinner, better" marketing strategy. And that does not a happy Zombie Jobs make.[/QUOTE]
they litterally can box shit and sell it for 2000$ and people would buy it, having a phone that works is better than a cool phone that doesn't
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;47298689]My iPhone 5s battery seems to go down the shitter as soon as I open up snapchat, but if I don't it last a very long time
I still think the iPhone would benefit off a bigger battery[/QUOTE]
Snapchat is a pretty terrible and heavy app no matter what the platform. There was a recent controversy on android where tons of people were reporting it was using gigabytes of mobile data in the background and draining their batteries because of the new discover stuff they added.
Nearly all phones are pretty light to begin with. I have no problems with my phone weighing a bit more if that means having a longer battery charge. I guess most consumers don't see it that way.
I'd rather my phone had a thicker battery
i'm fucking sick of 8-24 hour battery lives
Fuck thin phones. Fuck absurdly light phones. My case weighs twice as much as my phone and makes it thicker anyway.
[QUOTE=Reds;47298787]Fuck thin phones. Fuck absurdly light phones. My case weighs twice as much as my phone and makes it thicker anyway.[/QUOTE]
masochism is a strange thing
Wanting to keep them thin I can get but I have never even considered a phones weight as being an issue. They are so small, it could be twice as heavy and I wouldn't notice the difference when it is in my pocket.
[QUOTE=.Lain;47298799]masochism is a strange thing[/QUOTE]
Or maybe we're not so crippled and pathetic that our phones weighing a few ounces more affects us? It's not like making electronics lighter and thinner is a bad goal but it becomes incredibly subjective when it comes at the cost of damaging other aspects of the phone.
If I had to hold my arm straight out with my phone at the end for 6 hours a day I might [i]really[/i] appreciate what apple is doing but I don't, so I honestly don't care. I'd easily trade the phone weighing twice as much for significantly enhanced battery life. I'm not saying we should have gigantic brick-sized tumour phones but a lot of people (if this thread is any indication, especially) would agree that we'd rather have a slightly bulkier phone than a functionally deprived mess just to get it a bit thinner
in fact, when I had my new phone ordered, I even ordered a 1500mAH external battery
I may even order a case for extending the battery
[editline]10th March 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=.Lain;47298799]masochism is a strange thing[/QUOTE]
the thing is, the thinner the device, the more and more sacrifices are made
battery life almost always seems to be the first to go. And for a phone this is the LAST thing anyone needs. What happens if your phone dies and you REALLY need it?
not having your phone can mean you can get stranded because you didn't have the gps. You can't tow your car, if you're lost in the wilderness you can't call for help. You can't even call your buddy and say your cat needs to be fed because you'll be away from home for a while.
all because your phone lasts 8 hours idle with no apps running.
iPhones manage to both be thinner than almost every other smartphone on the market, have smaller batteries and still manage to equal or best other phones in terms of battery life. thinner doesn't necessarily mean worse when objectively thinner/lighter phones are more ergonomic. the thinner it is, the less thick it is once you put a battery case on it if you really need it. think about it that way
[QUOTE=.Lain;47298889]iPhones manage to both be thinner than almost every other smartphone on the market, have smaller batteries and still manage to equal or best other phones in terms of battery life. thinner doesn't necessarily mean worse when objectively thinner/lighter phones are more ergonomic. the thinner it is, the less thick it is once you put a battery case on it if you really need it[/QUOTE]
Of course, it doesn't ALWAYS equate to that, but it's certainly something I've seen with android phones
that or they do the opposite. Beefier phone, less battery life. They worry more about specs.
if your phone ever becomes so important, you can always carry around a battery bank. a phone can always run out regardless of how thick or thin it is.
i know for one that my phone, which is thicker for the purpose of having a larger battery, still runs out just as often in reality as any other smartphone.
[QUOTE=.Lain;47298905]if your phone ever becomes so important, you can always carry around a battery bank. a phone can always run out regardless of how thick or thin it is.
i know for one that my phone, which is thicker for the purpose of having a larger battery, still runs out just as often as any other smartphone.[/QUOTE]
pretty much what I've done. I (may) get one for the car for emergencies, I may instead get a solar powered bank.
[QUOTE=.Lain;47298889]iPhones manage to both be thinner than almost every other smartphone on the market, have smaller batteries and still manage to equal or best other phones in terms of battery life. thinner doesn't necessarily mean worse when objectively thinner/lighter phones are more ergonomic. the thinner it is, the less thick it is once you put a battery case on it if you really need it. think about it that way[/QUOTE]
We're not saying the life is bad compared to Android phones (although I've certainly had reports of some lighter Android phones lasting longer, like the oneplus) or that they should stop focusing on efficiency (there's no reason they can't do that too, obviously) just that they could put a bit of extra battery on and a lot of people would see that as an improvement.
[QUOTE=J!NX;47298897]Of course, it doesn't ALWAYS equate to that, but it's certainly something I've seen with android phones.[/QUOTE]
a lot of android OEMs have a serious case of solving the problem by haphazardly putting bigger batteries in the devices. partly because android is/was not very good battery wise, and because they don't have the capability to squeeze the battery as much as apple do considering they aren't manufacturing almost everything in the phone
"What, you people want bigger batteries? [url=http://i.imgur.com/QGU8QeH.jpg]Didn't you see the damage our current batteries can do?![/url]" :v:
[QUOTE=Elspin;47298919]We're not saying the life is bad compared to Android phones (although I've certainly had reports of some lighter Android phones lasting longer, like the oneplus) or that they should stop focusing on efficiency (there's no reason they can't do that too, obviously) just that they could put a bit of extra battery on and a lot of people would see that as an improvement.[/QUOTE]
i would not mind having a little bit of weight for a bigger battery myself, but look at the bigger picture. most consumers care more about having thinner devices that still have good battery life
efficiency is what apple do best when it comes to power management. ultimately it's what lands them sales and still works out for the huge majority of their customers
[QUOTE=.Lain;47298936]i would not mind having a little bit of weight for a bigger battery myself, but look at the bigger picture. [b]most consumers care more about having thinner devices that still have good battery life[/b]
efficiency is what apple do best when it comes to power management. ultimately it's what lands them sales and still works out for the huge majority of their customers[/QUOTE]
This is where most of us are seeing a total and complete opposite - we'd much rather have better battery life (to an extent, again). I'd rather have a 3cm phone that lasts for 3 days than a 4mm phone that lasts for 3 hours, once the phone is a nice comfortable size making it any thinner doesn't really improve it for me.
Here's my solution to the iPhone battery problem: don't use an iPhone.
i mean, i totally see where you're coming from, but again. we're admittedly a niche. i can understand why apple aren't doing exactly what you're proposing, because that's not what most people really care for
[editline]11th March 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=FunnyStarRunner;47298972]Here's my solution to the iPhone battery problem: don't use an iPhone.[/QUOTE]
iPhones don't have any worse battery problems than other phones.
my oneplus hardly lasts any longer than the 6 plus. if even most days. 3 hours OST would be a good day
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[editline]11th March 2015[/editline]
i think you mean 'don't use a phone'
we wouldnt really need them provided the software and hardware were heavily heavily optimized to amazing extents. Until then my 3200mah battery is barely enough for me.
I would love to have a phone with the battery life and durability of my psp vita by default.
[QUOTE=.Lain;47298889]iPhones manage to both be thinner than almost every other smartphone on the market, have smaller batteries and still manage to equal or best other phones in terms of battery life. thinner doesn't necessarily mean worse when objectively thinner/lighter phones are more ergonomic. the thinner it is, the less thick it is once you put a battery case on it if you really need it. think about it that way[/QUOTE]
They make it thinner by sacrificing structural integrity and casing thickness. Large flat plates of metal are inherently weak(a simple indented line back will reinforce it immensely), the bending thing is a great example of it.
[QUOTE=deadoon;47299000]I would love to have a phone with the battery life and durability of my psp vita by default.
They make it thinner by sacrificing structural integrity and casing thickness. Large flat plates of metal are inherently weak(a simple indented line back will reinforce it immensely), the bending thing is a great example of it.[/QUOTE]the bending has occurred in a single device in small numbers. i don't think that's exactly empirical evidence of apple sacrificing build quality for thin-ness to any great extent
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