[quote=pinknews.co.uk]
News that an 11 year old trans girl in Berlin, Germany, is about to be committed to a mental institution by local authorities – following intervention by her absent father – has prompted grave concern by the International LGBTQ Youth and Student Organisation (IGLYO).
A petition has also been started on [url=http://www.change.org/petitions/mayor-of-berlin-stop-the-institutionalization-of-a-11-year-old-transexual]change.org[/url].
According to a statement released by IGLYO yesterday, the girl, elsewhere identified only as “Alex” (Alexandra) lives with her mother, who supports her gender expression. However, the girl’s father, divorced and separated from her mother, strongly rejects this view of his daughter’s gender identity and wants to force her to grow up as a boy.
If all else fails, there is a real and present possibility that pressure from her father, supported by the Youth Welfare Office in Berlin, means that Alex will shortly be confined in a closed ward of a psychiatric institution to ensure that “he” returns to “normality”.
This is despite the fact that Alex claims, in an interview published earlier this month in online lifestyle magazine taz.de, that she has identified as female for as long as she can remember. She is accepted as female at school, and has been registered as such from her earliest days there.
This led to conflict with her father, who insisted on calling her “Alexander” and forcing her to wear boy’s clothes. When Alex reacted negatively, he accused her of being badly behaved. Her parents split over the matter of Alex’s gender.
Now, with puberty fast approaching – and Alex claiming she would rather die than go through the changes it is likely to bring about – her father has besieged the Youth Office with written submissions.
His motives are unclear: what is clear is that the child has not been examined by independent experts – but a new member of staff in the Berlin Youth Office believes him and claims that the correct response to Alex’s suicide threats if she does not receive treatment for gender dysphoria is for her to be committed to a mental institution.
Alex should be encouraged to identify with male role models and to follow male pursuits: female preferences would be discouraged. Thereafter, according to a proposal that has shocked Professor Udo Rauchfleisch, a recognized expert in the care and treatment of transsexuality with the University of Basel, she should be separated from her mother and placed with foster parents.
There are clear similarities between this and approaches adopted by John Money in respect of David Reimer and David Rekers with Kirk Murphy: both cases ended badly with the subsequent suicide of the individuals – Reimer and Murphy – who were the target of this reparative therapy.
This is echoed by a statement from IGLYO. They write: “The board of IGLYO strongly advocates the rights of transgender youth and are concerned with the institutionalization of this happy and healthy child. We would like to highlight the endangerment of forced “therapy” to make children fit into the gender roles the society thinks are right for them. IGLYO follows the wealth of research that shows that reparative therapy regarding sexual orientation or gender identity can be seriously harmful to the child.
“The Board of IGLYO declares our solidarity with the girl and her mother. Moreover, we ask the authorities of Berlin to intervene with the actions of the Youth Welfare Office and stop the removal of the child from her mother. We find it extremely irresponsible and unacceptable to remove any child from a loving and supportive home without thorough research and consultation with experts.
“In line with international human rights standards, IGLYO advocates for the best interests of the child. The institutionalization of this child violates many human rights instruments, including the Convention on the Rights of the Child, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the European Convention on Human Rights.”
The case is now being referred upward to Germany’s supreme court.
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original story at [url]http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/01/31/german-trans-girl-to-be-institutionalised/[/url]
Petition against this at [url]http://www.change.org/petitions/mayor-of-berlin-stop-the-institutionalization-of-a-11-year-old-transexual[/url]
God damn it, way to ruin my day facepunch.
If the child said that he/she would rather die than go through puberty and has repeatedly made suicide threaths, then I would say that the person is mentally unstable. But institutionalizing the kid is bad though.
Someone could lose their job over this. It may be for the better if they did if this is how they handle people deciding to become transgendered.
-snip- Wrong thread.
people say 'only in America' I'm now saying 'only in Europe'
Of course you put him in the looney bin when he makes suicide threats, he needs immediate control and help so that he actually doesn't go end himself.
[QUOTE=kaven;34481944]If the child said that he/she would rather die than go through puberty and has repeatedly made suicide threaths, then I would say that the person is mentally unstable. But institutionalizing the kid is bad though.[/QUOTE]
Y'know the best course of treatment?
Just [i]let them be a fucking girl.[/I]
[QUOTE=Red scout?;34481977]Of course you put him in the looney bin when he makes suicide threats, he needs immediate control and help so that he actually doesn't go end himself.[/QUOTE]
You're saying he; can't take anything you say seriously after that to be honest.
[QUOTE=Red scout?;34481977]Of course you put him in the looney bin when he makes suicide threats, he needs immediate control and help so that he actually doesn't go end himself.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=kaven;34481944]If the child said that he/she would rather die than go through puberty and has repeatedly made suicide threaths, then I would say that the person is mentally unstable. But institutionalizing the kid is bad though.[/QUOTE]
The thing is, the kid was underging therapy that was the right thing for this kind of case, with the mother being supportive, the father not liking the child's expressed gender, wants to rip the kid AWAY from what is keeping her sane and happy, to suit his own selfish desires.
[QUOTE=Metanar;34481998]You're saying he; can't take anything you say seriously after that to be honest.[/QUOTE]
Why not? Okay, I have to agree that looney bin might have been a bad choice of words in this situation, but I stand by my point, he should be taken to a mental hospital and have his depression dealth with so that he doesn't go kill himself.
What kind of fucking parents allow their 11 year old son to go through transgender treatment?
[QUOTE=Red scout?;34482037]Why not? Okay, I have to agree that looney bin might have been a bad choice of words in this situation, but I stand by my point, he should be taken to a mental hospital and have his depression dealth with so that he doesn't go kill himself.[/QUOTE]
Are you literate? You're still doing it.
[QUOTE=acds;34482050]What kind of fucking parents allow their 11 year old son to go through transgender treatment?[/QUOTE]
Please point out where it says this.
[QUOTE=acds;34482050]What kind of fucking parents allow their 11 year old son to go through transgender treatment?[/QUOTE]
A lot of transgensder people do know from a very young age, and a lot of the damage to psyche is from the pain of going through the wrong puberty, finding stuff happen to thier bodies that they [I]know[/I] should not be happening to them.
[QUOTE=Metanar;34481998]You're saying he; can't take anything you say seriously after that to be honest.[/QUOTE]
It's a guy. He can live whatever fairy tale he wants, he was born a guy and will always be.
[QUOTE=Red scout?;34482037]Why not? Okay, I have to agree that looney bin might have been a bad choice of words in this situation, but I stand by my point, he should be taken to a mental hospital and have his depression dealth with so that he doesn't go kill himself.[/QUOTE]
You're missing the point. The reason why everyone's throwing such a fit is because this He wants to be a She. You could at least oblige her.
[QUOTE=Red scout?;34481977]Of course you put him in the looney bin when he makes suicide threats, he needs immediate control and help so that he actually doesn't go end himself.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure you'd crack up if people insisted you were a chick and tried to force you to act as such.
[QUOTE=Red scout?;34482037]Why not? Okay, I have to agree that looney bin might have been a bad choice of words in this situation, but I stand by my point, he should be taken to a mental hospital and have his depression dealth with so that he doesn't go kill himself.[/QUOTE]
whilst completely disregarding the root cause; good idea!
[QUOTE=acds;34482073]It's a guy. He can live whatever fairy tale he wants, he was born a guy and will always be.[/QUOTE]
You're an asshole.
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That father had a son and expected him to grow up to be able to watch football, drink beers and chat about man stuff. Instead his son, who doesn't even have a fully developed view on life and the world yet, has people allowing him to 'become a girl'.
Imagine how crushed this father is, he just wanted a happy normal family and it has been ruined by suicide threats and divorce over something that should have been taught out of him with no support for that idea at all.
Sad story.
[QUOTE=Rents;34482092]I'm pretty sure you'd crack up if people insisted you were a chick and tried to force you to act as such.[/QUOTE]
I'd shove them off as retards if anyone constantly told me I was a girl. I have a dick between my legs, I am a dude, I know that I am a dude in my whole being. Anyone saying anything else is delusional.
[QUOTE=acds;34482073]It's a guy. He can live whatever fairy tale he wants, he was born a guy and will always be.[/QUOTE]
Says who
[QUOTE=Metanar;34482064]Are you literate? You're still doing it.
Please point out where it says this.[/QUOTE]
[quote]News that an 11 year old trans girl in Berlin,[/quote]
[QUOTE=fluke42;34482125]You're an asshole.[/QUOTE]
That's not news to me.
[QUOTE=AngryChairR;34482141]That father had a son and expected him to grow up to be able to watch football, drink beers and chat about man stuff. Instead his son, who doesn't even have a fully developed view on life and the world yet, has people allowing him to 'become a girl'.
Imagine how crushed this father is, he just wanted a happy normal family and it has been ruined by suicide threats and divorce over something that should have been taught out of him with no support for that idea at all.
Sad story.[/QUOTE]
Let me rephrase this in a way that is actually true:
[I]Absent[/I] father expects child to conform to gender roles enforced by society and is shocked when the child doesn't fit with this oppressive system and tries to have the child sectioned. In other news the father was an asshole and that's why his wife wanted to divorce him.
[QUOTE=AngryChairR;34482141]That father had a son and expected him to grow up to be able to watch football, drink beers and chat about man stuff. Instead his son, who doesn't even have a fully developed view on life and the world yet, has people allowing him to 'become a girl'.
Imagine how crushed this father is, he just wanted a happy normal family and it has been ruined by suicide threats and divorce over something that should have been taught out of him with no support for that idea at all.
Sad story.[/QUOTE]
Uh, yeah. Children don't turn out how their parents want them to [i]all the time.[/I]
Also, you can't teach it out of someone. The only road making her act male is going to lead to is suicide.
[QUOTE=acds;34482157]That's not news to me.[/QUOTE]
Do you know what trans means? I don't think you do.
[QUOTE=Red scout?;34482142]I'd shove them off as retards if anyone constantly told me I was a girl. I have a dick between my legs, I am a dude, I know that I am a dude in my whole being. Anyone saying anything else is delusional.[/QUOTE]
Entirely missing the point.
Thank god, [B][U][I]he's[/I][/U][/B] a disgrace to humanity, this goes against god's will.
Praise the lord.
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[QUOTE=Rents;34482204]Entirely missing the point.[/QUOTE]
Some people don't wish to even acknowledge anything that proves them even slightly wrong.
[QUOTE=fluke42;34482125]You're an asshole.[/QUOTE]
He was born an asshole and always will be.
[QUOTE=AngryChairR;34482141]That father had a son and expected him to grow up to be able to watch football, drink beers and chat about man stuff. Instead his son, who doesn't even have a fully developed view on life and the world yet, has people allowing him to 'become a girl'.
Imagine how crushed this father is, he just wanted a happy normal family and it has been ruined by suicide threats and divorce over something that should have been taught out of him with no support for that idea at all.
Sad story.[/QUOTE]
The father can't force his child to do exactly what he wants, despite the child's wishes and psychological well-being
so sad
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