• Russian Foreign Minister Calls for Second Reset
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This is what I admire about Russia and the Russian people; Always willing to give diplomacy a chance, even if it might sometimes seem unreasonable to do so. Let's hope Obama reciprocates. [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29401840[/URL] [QUOTE]The foreign minister of Russia has said it is time for a "reset 2.0" in ties with the US, while blaming the Obama administration for their poor state. Sergei Lavrov, who was minister during the 2010 "reset" of relations, said the current US administration had "wrecked much of the co-operation structures". "It is absolutely in our interests to normalise relations but we didn't wreck them," he told a Russian TV channel. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]"Now there's a need for what the Americans might call a 'reset'," Mr [URL="http://www.mid.ru/brp_4.nsf/newsline/F4F1A53D17B13D6B44257D6100260C50"]Lavrov told Russia's Channel Five (in Russian)[/URL]. "The current US administration is today wrecking much of the co-operation structures that it created itself along with us. Most likely, something more will come up - a reset No 2 or a reset 2.0." Mr Lavrov said the situation was improving on the ground in Ukraine, where a shaky ceasefire has been in place for several weeks. Nato reported this week that there had been a significant withdrawal of Russian conventional troops from inside eastern Ukraine, although many thousands remained just over the border. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Addressing the UN General Assembly, President Obama accused Russia of pouring arms into the region but he also praised the recent ceasefire agreement between the Ukrainian government and pro-Russian rebels. He promised to lift sanctions if Moscow worked through diplomatic means to secure a lasting peace. [/QUOTE]
"Okay, now that I've won, let's restart so I can ruin my relations with you all over again for new territory"
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;46099026]This is what I admire about Russia and the Russian people; Always willing to give diplomacy a chance, even if it might sometimes seem unreasonable to do so. Let's hope Obama reciprocates.[/QUOTE] haha you can't be serious
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;46099026]This is what I admire about Russia and the Russian people; Always willing to give diplomacy a chance, even if it might sometimes seem unreasonable to do so. Let's hope Obama reciprocates. [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29401840[/URL][/QUOTE] [IMG]http://fi.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-siren.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://fi.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-siren.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://fi.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-siren.gif[/IMG] [b]SHILL DETECTED[/b] [IMG]http://fi.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-siren.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://fi.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-siren.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://fi.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-siren.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;46099026]This is what I admire about Russia and the Russian people; Always willing to give diplomacy a chance, even if it might sometimes seem unreasonable to do so. Let's hope Obama reciprocates.[/QUOTE] Always willing to give diplomacy a chance* *Unless the pro-Russian puppets lose power and we are forced to create a rebellion to justify invasion and occupation.
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I hope Putin gets diplomacy in the form of an AGM-114.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46099106]Always willing to give diplomacy a chance* *Unless the pro-Russian puppets lose power and we are forced to create a rebellion to justify invasion and occupation.[/QUOTE] Well they did lose power through undemocratic means and Russia didn't steal east Ukraine.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;46099166]Well they did lose power through undemocratic means and Russia didn't steal east Ukraine.[/QUOTE] Excuse me? You complain about Yanukovych being throw out because he didn't follow the people's will being undemocratic but act like Russia having a puppet as a president in a different country is normal. "Didn't steal East Ukraine", yeah man they just took Crimea and made mainland eastern Ukraine rebel controlled. [editline]28th September 2014[/editline] Just Russian sheningans, completely OK to do this haha ha
You know there's something wrong when the first 9 posts are russophobic. Totally no shills here.
Putin needs to learn from Empire Total War. The only way to improve donations is to send everyone a thoroughbred horse :v:
[QUOTE=Recco;46099235]You know there's something wrong when the first 9 posts are russophobic. Totally no shills here.[/QUOTE] b-b-b-but russophobes guys! russia didnt do ANYTHING illegal nor did they invade and annex a sovereign nations territory nor have they been supplying rebels and shooting the ukrainians!!! you guys are just haters! you use that card so hard because its literally all you shills can use.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;46099026]This is what I admire about Russia and the Russian people; Always willing to give diplomacy a chance, even if it might sometimes seem unreasonable to do so. Let's hope Obama reciprocates. [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29401840[/URL][/QUOTE] This is actually doable. All you gotta do is give Crimea back to Ukraine and take your military out of a sovereign nation. BAM, you end your sanctions and open up new diplomatic routes with the west.
The moment Russia backs out of Crimea there's gonna be thousands of US troops stationed there non-stop. If I were Putin, I'd take my profits and say fuck it.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;46099026]This is what I admire about Russia and the Russian people; Always willing to give diplomacy a chance, even if it might sometimes seem unreasonable to do so. Let's hope Obama reciprocates.[/QUOTE] Pfffffthahahahaha Wait, you serious?
[QUOTE=Recco;46099235]You know there's something wrong when the first 9 posts are russophobic. Totally no shills here.[/QUOTE] "Russophobic" Lol. So seeing through a country's imperialistic foreign policy is phobia now? Sorry for taking anything the Russian government says right now with enough salt to ruin an acre.
Hey rufus, do you still think that eastern european countries belong to russia or what was it?
[QUOTE=Swineflu;46099466]Wait, you serious?[/QUOTE] Perfectly fits to your avatar, dude. "Why so serious?"
[QUOTE=Swineflu;46099466]Pfffffthahahahaha Wait, you serious?[/QUOTE] The Russians were deeply affected by World War II. They lost more that all the allied countries put together. The monstrous experience collectively humbled the Russian people, largely stripping them of jingoistic tendencies. For example; wherever Leonid Brezhnev went in the Soviet Union he found people literally begging him not to get the USSR involved in another war. This really helped push him into agreeing to Detente with Richard Nixon (who was a more pragmatic guy than many give him credit for). In contrast the American's went on to elect Ronald Reagan, a man who saw the Soviet Union as a threat even though the Soviet's had decided to just chill out in their own part of the world. [QUOTE=deltasquid;46099499]"Russophobic" Lol. So seeing through a country's imperialistic foreign policy is phobia now? Sorry for taking anything the Russian government says right now with enough salt to ruin an acre.[/QUOTE] Can we really call Russia imperialist? it has only taken military action in small areas of countries on it's borders. Unlike America which has attacked and occupied vast territories in nations on the other side of the globe.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;46099754] Can we really call Russia imperialist? it has only taken military action in small areas of countries on it's borders. Unlike America which has attacked and occupied vast territories in nations on the other side of the globe.[/QUOTE] Absolutely. Both America and Russia are imperialist, make no mistake. Russia is trying to bully Eastern Europe into doing what they want and don't care about the people there at all. Putin and co say they want a neutral Ukraine, but to them, that means a neutered, weak Ukraine that's been split in half and that's completely tied to Russia. The correct option would have been to let the Ukrainians decide for themselves what they wanted, and if that's closer ties to the EU, so be it. Russia should have made an alliance or neutrality with them a better deal (but they know it never will be, because Eastern Europe spites Russia too much to ever agree to more than is strictly necessary for their continued survival.) The only reason why Russia isn't expanding its sphere of influence outside of Eastern Europe is simply because they can't. If you gave Russia the ability to project power like the USA, you bet they'd be more active, too. (Let's not forget Russia's involvement in the Middle East is also a large factor of why America keeps dicking around there, although Russia's influence more subtle one than America's "go in guns blazing" attitude of the '90s and '00s) EDIT: also, to most average Russians, their ideological support for a communist state has been replaced in the nineties with regular old nationalism. Their mindset isn't really comparable to the detente of the late '60s and early 70's any more.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;46099754]The Russians were deeply affected by World War II. They lost more that all the allied countries put together. The monstrous experience collectively humbled the Russian people, largely stripping them of jingoistic tendencies. For example; wherever Leonid Brezhnev went in the Soviet Union he found people literally begging him not to get the USSR involved in another war. This really helped push him into agreeing to Detente with Richard Nixon (who was a more pragmatic guy than many give him credit for).[/quote] Sad but true, Nixon was probably the last GOOD Republican president we've had. [quote]In contrast the American's went on to elect Ronald Reagan, a man who saw the Soviet Union as a threat even though the Soviet's had decided to just chill out in their own part of the world.[/quote] "Just chill in their own part of the world" in the form of the Cuban Missile Crisis, Vietnam, The Berlin Wall, etc. The Russian PEOPLE may have hated war, but Stalin and his paranoid tendencies that seemed to follow the leadership that came after him resulted in a great mistrust of the rest of the world, and a now very industrial nation mass-producing tanks, bombers, and nuclear weapons on an insane scale throughout the Cold War. [quote]Can we really call Russia imperialist? it has only taken military action in small areas of countries on it's borders. Unlike America which has attacked and occupied vast territories in nations on the other side of the globe.[/QUOTE] There's a difference between taking military action to help an ally (Korea, Gulf War, etc) and just straight-up land-grabbing. While America and her allies gave back whatever land they liberated in WWII, Russia had a strangle-hold on the nations they rolled through up until the Wall fell.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46099194]Excuse me? You complain about Yanukovych being throw out because he didn't follow the people's will being undemocratic but act like Russia having a puppet as a president in a different country is normal. "Didn't steal East Ukraine", yeah man they just took Crimea and made mainland eastern Ukraine rebel controlled. [editline]28th September 2014[/editline] Just Russian sheningans, completely OK to do this haha ha[/QUOTE] Well if a protest turning violent means a government should be thrown out what about the riots in US? Some of the guys in maiden were really violent. They killed police and civilians. If a group like that taking over government is democratic then I don't think your version of democracy is something anyone should go for (hint im saying you support people using guns to take over and then run a country, double hint Kiev is patrolled by armed right wing militia at the moment) I said didn't steal East Ukraine and I was right. Yes they stole Crimea but the east is still part of Ukraine. The people there got federalization, which is what they wanted and protested for before "democratic government" sent in the army to shut them up. If you are prepared to excuse this kind of thing because "scary russia" then so be it.
Eastern Europe belongs to Russia. Deal with it, that's the way it is.
[QUOTE=laserguided;46100387]Eastern Europe belongs to Russia. Deal with it, that's the way it is.[/QUOTE] The only thing that belongs in russia right now are sanctions
[QUOTE=icecub112;46100423]The only thing that belongs in russia right now are sanctions[/QUOTE] And Ukraine.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;46100324]Well if a protest turning violent means a government should be thrown out what about the riots in US? Some of the guys in maiden were really violent. They killed police and civilians. If a group like that taking over government is democratic then I don't think your version of democracy is something anyone should go for (hint im saying you support people using guns to take over and then run a country, double hint Kiev is patrolled by armed right wing militia at the moment) I said didn't steal East Ukraine and I was right. Yes they stole Crimea but the east is still part of Ukraine. The people there got federalization, which is what they wanted and protested for before "democratic government" sent in the army to shut them up. If you are prepared to excuse this kind of thing because "scary russia" then so be it.[/QUOTE] Stop bringing events in the US to justify what happens in eastern Europe already. Guess what, supporting people using guns(Ukraine) is the same thing as supporting people using guns(Russia), wow a shocker I know. All protests are aggressive, if one becomes violent in Ukraine, you don't INVADE A COUNTRY or else, everybody would be doing it. Crimea is Ukrainian, eastern ukraine is Ukrainian but they're in control of non-Ukrainians, so what the fuck are you on about? "Scary Russia" wasn't my excuse and there was no excuse at all in that post, so... what are you on about?
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46100540] Crimea is Ukrainian[/QUOTE] No it isn't. And it never was.
[QUOTE=Melnek;46100577]No it isn't. And it never was.[/QUOTE] In case you haven't noticed, it was a few months ago, I dunno maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46100540]Stop bringing events in the US to justify what happens in eastern Europe already. Guess what, supporting people using guns(Ukraine) is the same thing as supporting people using guns(Russia), wow a shocker I know. All protests are aggressive, if one becomes violent in Ukraine, you don't INVADE A COUNTRY or else, everybody would be doing it. Crimea is Ukrainian, eastern ukraine is Ukrainian but they're in control of non-Ukrainians, so what the fuck are you on about? "Scary Russia" wasn't my excuse and there was no excuse at all in that post, so... what are you on about?[/QUOTE] Crimea is thoroughly Russian. Stop deluding yourself.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46100540]Stop bringing events in the US to justify what happens in eastern Europe already. Guess what, supporting people using guns(Ukraine) is the same thing as supporting people using guns(Russia), wow a shocker I know. All protests are aggressive, if one becomes violent in Ukraine, you don't INVADE A COUNTRY or else, everybody would be doing it. Crimea is Ukrainian, eastern ukraine is Ukrainian but they're in control of non-Ukrainians, so what the fuck are you on about? "Scary Russia" wasn't my excuse and there was no excuse at all in that post, so... what are you on about?[/QUOTE] Eastern Ukraine is still part of Ukraine. It has been federalized like germany or the US. You and others don't like Russia. You brand the seperatists + pro-russians + pro-federalisation people into one group "Pro-Russian". You turn a blind eye to the terrible things done by the pro-kiev militias, the shelling of civilians (In Ukraine and Russia) kidnappings and lies. The only reason I can think for you doing this is because you want to make it simpler for yourself to support "the good guys". Not all the people fighting the gov "want to be part of Russia" they are disenfranchised. The gov they voted for got kicked out, they wanted more powers to self rule (not asking for much tbh) and the army came over and started shelling their homes. Get a grip and have some compassion. You only acknowledge suffering when you can use it to fuel your anti-russian hate boner.
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