• Brexiteers back second EU referendum to stop 'soft' departure from bloc
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[QUOTE]LONDON (Reuters) - Two of Britain’s most prominent Brexit campaigners endorsed a second referendum on leaving the European Union on Thursday as the best way to stop EU supporters from trying to water down, or even halt, the country’s departure from the bloc. Britons shocked the political establishment in June 2016 by voting 52 to 48 percent in favour of ending more than four decades of political, economic and legal ties with the EU. But, with the nation still deeply polarised, disillusion over the complexity of withdrawal setting in and pessimism about the economic impact of Brexit rising, many in the fervently anti-EU camp fear an eventual “soft” withdrawal that would keep key ties and foil any clampdown on immigration. Nigel Farage, a central figure in the “Leave” campaign ahead of the referendum and in its surprise outcome, said he was warming to the idea of holding a second vote to settle the argument on whether leaving was the right decision or not. “Maybe, just maybe, I‘m reaching the point of thinking that we should have a second referendum ... on EU membership,” the former leader of the small UK Independence Party told Channel Five’s “The Wright Stuff” show. “I think if we had a second referendum on EU membership we’d kill it off for a generation. The percentage that would vote to leave next time would be very much bigger than it was last time round.” Opinion polls show little sign of a change of heart among voters. A poll in December showed 51 percent would now keep EU membership and 41 percent wanting out. But pollster BMG said that shift was largely among those who did not vote - notably many young people - in 2016; around nine in 10 “Leave” and “Remain” voters hold fast to their views. Conservative Prime Minister Theresa May has promised Britain will leave the EU in March 2019 and then enter a roughly two-year transition period for the government to implement new policies on issues such as trade, customs and immigration. Asked about Farage’s comments, May’s spokesman said: “We will not be having a second referendum.”[/QUOTE] [URL="https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-farage/brexiteers-back-second-eu-referendum-to-stop-soft-departure-from-bloc-idUSKBN1F016Y?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_content=5a57d19504d301155b10c57c&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook"]Reuters.[/URL]
[quote]“I think if we had a second referendum on EU membership we’d kill it off for a generation. The percentage that would vote to leave next time would be very much bigger than it was last time round.”[/quote] Okay, I know it's Farage we're talking about but just to be sure: is he seriously suggesting that Brexit has become [I]more[/I] popular since the original referendum? I mean, I know Farage is probably from the bizarro dimension but me reading this quote wrong is the much more preferable option.
Brexiteers is clever but I think they could have done better with just Brexiters, or even Brexicans. [sp]The opposition could even be Brexicants[/sp]
Farage clearly noticing he's not relevant in British politics any more and deciding he needs a publicity boost for whatever reason. Maybe he's writing a book. At any rate 50% of Britain thinks there should be a second referendum now, and I doubt it's because they want to confirm the decision to leave. [editline]11th January 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=Revenge282;53044624]Brexiteers is clever but I think they could have done better with just Brexiters[/QUOTE] Both are used I've noticed
[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;53044625]Farage clearly noticing he's not relevant in British politics any more and deciding he needs a publicity boost for whatever reason. Maybe he's writing a book.[/QUOTE] He keeps telling us he's "leaving" politics. As soon as Brexit won he finished his shitty pint in this local shitty pub, walked outside and just washed his hands of the whole affair. Saying it was "time" for him to quit politics. Only to be seen shortly after meeting with and aiding Trump with his primary campaigns. Alongside constantly inserting himself in the process of Brexit despite not even being an MP any more (as far as I can see at least), let alone actually leading his party of inbreds.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;53044642]He keeps telling us he's "leaving" politics. As soon as Brexit won he finished his shitty pint in this local shitty pub, walked outside and just washed his hands of the whole affair. Saying it was "time" for him to quit politics. Only to be seen shortly after meeting with and aiding Trump with his primary campaigns. Alongside constantly inserting himself in the process of Brexit despite not even being an MP any more (as far as I can see at least), let alone actually leading his party of inbreds.[/QUOTE] He tells us he's leaving politics when he wants headlines, and then he tells us he's coming back when he wants more headlines. The man wants an audience, plan and simple, and the media keep giving him one because people lap his shitty brand of Honest Local Bloke up because of the meme factor.
considering how badly the last two Tory power-grabs went I don't imagine they'll be keen to attempt a third :v:
Honestly, It wouldn't surprise me if Farage wanted a second referendum just so he could attempt to become relevant again whinging about the potential remain result. Leaving the EU was never something these people actually wanted- they just used it as a way to drum up popularity and influence. Farage bitches constantly about the EU, gets elected MEP by people he's convinced they should act out of spite towards the rest of Europe, so now he gets to fart about doing bugger all on a massive MEP salary. Cameron promises an EU referendum in an attempt to steal UKIP voters, never imagining people would actually be stupid enough to vote leave. Would have been far happier with a remain result but courted the idea of leaving in an attempt to gain more power. These dickheads can't pull shit like that if we actually leave can they?
I... I don't think this will go how you think it will go.
Oh hell yes spin that wheel again, either total economic and social ruin or nothing, cmon big money big money no whammy!
I mean, polls are difficult to believe now, but they're all in favour of Remain. But more important than that is the fact that now the reality, all the pain and squalor of Brexit has begun to show and we know that we will have Frankenstein's Government delivering Brexit from the helm of their rudderless ship. Whereas before it could be said that both Remain and Leave campaigns were theorycrafting, we now have cold hard evidence of which way Brexit is going and only the most delusional believe it will be a prosperous one. So many Leavers have been quoted as having changed their minds, either horrified at what's happened or disappointed that this isn't what was sold to them by David Cameron, who walked away at the first sign of trouble leaving his worst allies to take over. What I'm saying is, no Leaver in their right mind would ever call a vote. Which is why Farage is asking for it, of course.
I say let's find out. Run a second referendum. If it doesn't come back 75/25 in favor of leaving, cancel Article 50.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;53044615]Okay, I know it's Farage we're talking about but just to be sure: is he seriously suggesting that Brexit has become [I]more[/I] popular since the original referendum? I mean, I know Farage is probably from the bizarro dimension but me reading this quote wrong is the much more preferable option.[/QUOTE] Plot twist, he's aware Brexit popularity has gone down and he secretly wants "Remain" to win so he can stay relevant in UK politics.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;53044615]Okay, I know it's Farage we're talking about but just to be sure: is he seriously suggesting that Brexit has become [I]more[/I] popular since the original referendum? I mean, I know Farage is probably from the bizarro dimension but me reading this quote wrong is the much more preferable option.[/QUOTE] I think by now we all know it's a pattern and a tradition for conservatives and right wingers to ignore reality.
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;53045475]Plot twist, he's aware Brexit popularity has gone down and he [B]secretly[/B] wants "Remain" to win so he can stay relevant in UK politics.[/QUOTE] this is barely a secret play at all his entire political career has been based on leading a party who are basically the conservatives but with the added gimmick of "we think that the EU is shit, let's leave". if he gets what his party wants, he's effectively done his job and will fuck off into obscurity. every other venture he's attempted - cosying up to Trump, etc - have all failed, and as of now his entire political legacy will be "the dude who fucked up the economy after getting the UK to leave the EU in the worst way possible". he OBVIOUSLY wants a second referendum, just so that it can fail - he reckons that the UK will wise up to the fact that it's a stupid decision and vote remain, so he can start campaigning to leave again, and be able to twist the narrative of his political career into him being known as "the guy who ALMOST got Great Britain out of the European Union, had it not been for those Meddling Kids!" it's pretty clear that p much everyone who was campaigning for the Leave side didn't actually want to win - they just wanted to make it look like they were championing the cause of a minority of angry racists in the UK, so when the referendum failed they'd have a solid base of voters to do whatever they wanted with. but then they fucked up, told too many lies, won over too many people, and were stuck floundering about with no idea what to do next. no David Cameron to campaign against, no clear "yes/no" answer to pretend to side with - just look at those "interviews" with Boris Johnson after the results came out, ducking and diving questions, muttering "buhhhh poppycock, balderdash, oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck" every which way n that. i'm rambling. but yeah fuck farage, if he somehow gets a second referendum out of this shitshow then fair play to him for not COMPLETELY fucking up the country, but either way he's still a racist fuck who needs to fuck off
Before we continue, he doesn't want a second vote, but is concerned one may be forced upon the voters.[URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/01/11/do-not-want-second-vote-brexit-fellow-leavers-must-ready-fight/"] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/01/11/do-not-want-second-vote-brexit-fellow-leavers-must-ready-fight/[/URL]
[QUOTE=EcksDee;53045938]I think by now we all know it's a pattern and a tradition for conservatives and right wingers to ignore reality.[/QUOTE] As Stephen Colbert taught us... "reality has a well known liberal bias." Things have changed, and I find it highly unlikely that leaving would win. I know Farage understands this, so I am perplexed by his desire for another referendum. [editline]12th January 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=Boilrig;53046182]Before we continue, he doesn't want a second vote, but is concerned one may be forced upon the voters.[URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/01/11/do-not-want-second-vote-brexit-fellow-leavers-must-ready-fight/"] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/01/11/do-not-want-second-vote-brexit-fellow-leavers-must-ready-fight/[/URL][/QUOTE] FYI, The Telegraph once said that Jeremy Corbyn wants to "turn Britain into Zimbabwe." I am not so sure that I can trust a publication in which shit like this is the norm. I am no fan of Jeremy Corbyn, but I am even less a fan of The Telegraph. I read them anyway because I like to get the full spectrum of opinions on news stories despite being a centre-lefty and a staunch leftist by American standards.
[QUOTE=Dan The Man;53046211] FYI, The Telegraph once said that Jeremy Corbyn wants to "turn Britain into Zimbabwe." I am not so sure that I can trust a publication in which shit like this is the norm. I am no fan of Jeremy Corbyn, but I am even less a fan of The Telegraph. I read them anyway because I like to get the full spectrum of opinions on news stories despite being a centre-lefty and a staunch leftist by American standards.[/QUOTE] You understand that is Nigel's column right?
I'm pretty sure they didn't expect or hope for the first referendum to pass because they know leaving is a bad idea With a second referendum they could get out of leaving without ever admitting the fault or taking responsibility for such a reckless and damaging political stunt Taking the brunt of leaving would not only kneecap the whole EU=bad platform for foreseeable future but also cause economical and political harm for pretty much everyone in the region
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