• IDF fires at Syria for first time since 1973
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[quote][b]IDF's Artillery Corps fires at Syrian mortar post in response to firing of mortar shell that hit IDF post in eastern Golan[/b] For first time since the Yom Kippur War, the IDF has fired into Syrian territory. The IDF's Artillery Corps has fired at a mortar post in Syria in response to the firing of a mortar shell that landed in the eastern Golan Heights. This is the first time that the army has fired at Syria since 1973. No injuries or damage were reported. The mortar shell exploded in Tel Hezka in the eastern Golan Heights after being fired from the village of Beer Ajam. IDF sources estimated the mortar shell was not aimed at Israel and was part of clashes between the Syrian army and rebels. Last week a mortar bomb landed in Alonei Habashan. It did not explode and there were no injuries.[/quote] [url]http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4303853,00.html[/url]
[quote]IDF sources estimated the mortar shell was not aimed at Israel and was part of clashes between the Syrian army and rebels.[/quote] ...wait....The shell wasn't aimed at Israel, yet they retaliated for it anyway...and they want us to believe [i]they're[/i] being oppressed in the region...
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What's that? More fighting in the middle east? Oh okay. It's getting to the point now that even Africa is a better place
[QUOTE=TestECull;38406889]...wait....The shell wasn't aimed at Israel, yet they retaliated for it anyway...[/QUOTE] That's generally what nations in crossfire do. Turkey did the exact same thing. EDIT: When people try their hardest to demonize Israel in every conceivable way it takes away ethos from the genuine criticism and creates an idiotic partisan barrier.
[QUOTE=mac338;38406923]That's generally what nations in crossfire do. Turkey did the exact same thing. EDIT: When people try their hardest to demonize Israel in every conceivable way it takes away ethos from the genuine criticism and creates an idiotic partisan barrier.[/QUOTE] What this guy said.
[QUOTE=mac338;38406923]That's generally what nations in crossfire do. Turkey did the exact same thing. EDIT: When people try their hardest to demonize Israel in every conceivable way it takes away ethos from the genuine criticism and creates an idiotic partisan barrier.[/QUOTE] Its very easy to properly demonize Israel, which is still sad.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;38406905]What's that? More fighting in the middle east? Oh okay. It's getting to the point now that even Africa is a better place[/QUOTE] To be honest, I'd still consider Africa a worse place what with all the rape and tribal violence in the jungle countries.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;38406905]What's that? More fighting in the middle east? Oh okay. It's getting to the point now that even Africa is a better place[/QUOTE] That's because we never read about what's going on there, except for the occational Kony 2012 jokes or something about Somali pirates. Our picture of the world is painted by the media.
[QUOTE=TestECull;38406889]...wait....The shell wasn't aimed at Israel, yet they retaliated for it anyway...and they want us to believe [i]they're[/i] being oppressed in the region...[/QUOTE] Wow, I knew a dumb comment like this would get posted, but I didn't know it'll be so fast Where's my "Bad Reading" rating again
So the IDF put out some IDF in response to some IDF? Ok then.
Meh... As an Israeli, I don't know if this action was necessary, seems a bit too much, just a message to the UN would probably be fine.
[QUOTE=Pitz;38409794]Meh... As an Israeli, I don't know if this action was necessary, seems a bit too much, just a message to the UN would probably be fine.[/QUOTE] It was just a warning shot, and it's not the first time Syria violates Israel's border
[QUOTE=NMDanny;38409839]It was just a warning shot, and it's not the first time Syria violates Israel's border[/QUOTE] Syria didn't violate Israel's border here nor did they even shell into Israeli territory.
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[QUOTE=NMDanny;38409839]It was just a warning shot, and it's not the first time Syria violates Israel's border[/QUOTE] Even if it's a warning shot, it seems to me a bit too much. [QUOTE=Starpluck;38410019]Syria never violated Israel's border here nor did they even shell into Israeli territory.[/QUOTE] I don't know if to take you seriously or not, but that somewhat true, syrian tanks went in to the demilitarized zone between Syria and Israel. And the shells weren't intentionally shot at Israel, but shells did hit Israel.
[QUOTE=Pitz;38410302]I don't know if to take you seriously or not, but that somewhat true, syrian tanks went in to the demilitarized zone between Syria and Israel.[/quote]I'm wasn't talking about past instances (because we can bring up dozens more done by Israel, whether it being airspace or border violations), I was talking about the article, what this thread's about. [quote]And the shells weren't intentionally shot at Israel, but shells did hit Israel.[/QUOTE] No, these shells didn't even violate Israeli borders or land in any Israeli territory.
[QUOTE=Pitz;38410302]Even if it's a warning shot, it seems to me a bit too much. I don't know if to take you seriously or not, but that somewhat true, syrian tanks went in to the demilitarized zone between Syria and Israel. And the shells weren't intentionally shot at Israel, but shells did hit Israel.[/QUOTE] Turkey did the same exact thing, so why are we condemning it when Israel does it? If someone violates your sovereignty, you respond with the appropriate amount of force. The least it can do is force whomever fired upon you (whether purposefully or not) to abandon their firing position.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;38410429]Turkey did the same exact thing, so why are we condemning it when Israel does it? If someone violates your sovereignty, you respond with the appropriate amount of force. The least it can do is force whomever fired upon you (whether purposefully or not) to abandon their firing position.[/QUOTE] What and whose "sovereignty" was violated here?
[QUOTE=Pitz;38410302]I don't know if to take you seriously or not, but that somewhat true, syrian tanks went in to the demilitarized zone between Syria and Israel. And the shells weren't intentionally shot at Israel, but shells did hit Israel.[/QUOTE] He's got a point. If they landed in the Golan Heights, they technically landed in Israeli-occupied territory that's internationally recognized as Syrian.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;38410429]Turkey did the same exact thing, so why are we condemning it when Israel does it? If someone violates your sovereignty, you respond with the appropriate amount of force. The least it can do is force whomever fired upon you (whether purposefully or not) to abandon their firing position.[/QUOTE] I don't condemn anything, I just think that starting with a non-violent response would be a better way, if shells continue to hit Israel, then yes, a violent response would be fair, they got their (non violent) warning. Violent response would only trigger more violence [QUOTE=Kinversulath;38410562]He's got a point. If they landed in the Golan Heights, they technically landed in Israeli-occupied territory that's internationally recognized as Syrian.[/QUOTE] The Golan Heights is a Syrian territory just as much as the US is a native American territory, the only difference is time. I haven't heard about any native American tribe saying that al-Qaeda attacked their territory at 9/11.
[QUOTE=Pitz;38410785]The Golan Heights is a Syrian territory just as much as the US is a native American territory, the only difference is time. I haven't heard about any native American tribe saying that al-Qaeda attacked their territory at 9/11.[/QUOTE] This analogy is extremely warped from the facts. The Golan Heights is Syrian territory, it is recognized as such by every nation in the world (including Israel's BFF, the U.S.). The only nation in the world who thinks the Golan Heights is legitimate Israeli territory, is well, Israel. No one in the international community (that's including the World Court and UNSC) recognizes Israel's forced border-expansionist policies regarding the Golan Heights and other occupied territories besides Israel itself
[QUOTE=ewitwins;38410429]Turkey did the same exact thing, so why are we condemning it when Israel does it? If someone violates your sovereignty, you respond with the appropriate amount of force. The least it can do is force whomever fired upon you (whether purposefully or not) to abandon their firing position.[/QUOTE] Um but Syria actually fired into Turkish territory. Syria didn't fire into Israel.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;38407059]That's because we never read about what's going on there, except for the occational Kony 2012 jokes or something about Somali pirates. Our picture of the world is painted by the media.[/QUOTE] Not always though. There are people who know not to trust the media.
Syria fired into Syrian territory that is illegally occupied by Israel. But not Israel itself.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;38410917]This analogy is extremely warped from the facts. The Golan Heights is Syrian territory, it is recognized as such by every nation in the world (including Israel's BFF, the U.S.). The only nation in the world who thinks the Golan Heights is legitimate Israeli territory, is well, Israel. No one in the international community (that's including the World Court and UNSC) recognizes Israel's forced border-expansionist policies regarding the Golan Heights and other occupied territories besides Israel itself[/QUOTE] Israel took the Golan Heights during the six-day war. Wouldn't that pretty much make it a legal occupation? Also, if they do not really own the land because of that, or any other reason, they are still occupying the area, and there are civilians from both sides there. Firing a mortar round at Syria isn't all that bad, considering that Israel sees the Golan Heights as their own territory. There are Israeli settlements there, and they want to remind Syria to be more careful (to put it simple). There's no reason to start talking about how horrible Israel is. It's not such a big deal itself. It's just that the discussion is beginning to go over to if Israel occupies the land legally or not. I know this decides if the action was legal according to what the article says, but this should be one of our last worries when it comes to the middle east. Please correct me if I'm wrong. [b]Corrected: I misunderstood, so yeah, I was wrong[/b]
[QUOTE=kazookie;38411844] legal occupation?[/QUOTE] No such thing today.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38412033]No such thing today.[/QUOTE] Sorry, I meant it in the same way as the rest of Israel. "Legal occupation" as in legally owning the land because it was taken during war.
No such thing again. Under international law you cannot take parts of other countries and call them your own.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38412270]No such thing again. Under international law you cannot take parts of other countries and call them your own.[/QUOTE] Ah, okay. Thanks for clarifying. I was about to write a long reply about if Israel has a valid occupation, but then I realized that all the discussion was built on was something I managed to misunderstand.
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