As many as 240,000 women have tried DIY abortions because of strict Texas laws
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[URL="http://www.businessinsider.com/as-many-as-240000-women-have-tried-diy-abortions-in-texas-2016-5?r=UK&IR=T"]SOURCE[/URL]
[URL="http://www.philly.com/philly/health/20160524_Reuters_Report_tagreuterscom2016newsmlKCN0YF1BC_Up_against_strict_laws__Texas_women_learn_do_it_yourself_abortions.html"]SOURCE 2[/URL]
[URL="https://utexas.app.box.com/v/koeselfinductionresearchbrief"]LINK 2 STUDY[/URL]
[QUOTE]Between 100,000 and 240,000 women of reproductive age in Texas have attempted self-induced abortions as access to abortion clinics throughout the state becomes more restrictive, according to a [URL="https://utexas.app.box.com/v/koeselfinductionresearchbrief"]study[/URL] by the University of Texas at Austin's Texas Policy Evaluation Project, known as [URL="https://www.utexas.edu/cola/txpep/index.php"]TxPEP[/URL]. [/QUOTE]
Just another example of how well prohibition of something works. It drives it underground and makes it ridiculously unsafe. Not trying to start a life vs choice debate but in all honesty we need a federal ruling to make abortion legal. A fetus has no consciousness so it can't think beyond basic instinctual cognition.
[QUOTE=FurrehFaux;50406192]Just another example of how well prohibition of something works.[/QUOTE]
but it does work
Proof: Alcohol has been completely and utterly abolished to this day ever since it was first banned
I'm surprised that companies or some sort of charity doesn't sell abortion drugs online.
[QUOTE=download;50406333]I'm surprised that companies or some sort of charity doesn't sell abortion drugs online.[/QUOTE]
i wish that wasn't necessary as that seems a bit dangerous
would definitely be better than any other diy method, though
[QUOTE=download;50406333]I'm surprised that companies or some sort of charity doesn't sell abortion drugs online.[/QUOTE]
The FDA would fuck them in a non-metaphoric non-consensual way.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;50406637]The FDA would fuck them in a non-metaphoric non-consensual way.[/QUOTE]
And? It's not like they train sniffer dogs to sniff out aborticide. Obviously this would be mailed from out of the US.
[QUOTE=download;50406649]And? It's not like they train sniffer dogs to sniff out aborticide. Obviously this would be mailed from out of the US.[/QUOTE]
Think of the market you are targeting here. Illegal drugs go through a huge number of hurdles that jack the prices up insanely high. Anyone who can afford that can just fly to another state and have the procedure done. People who can't, aren't going to be able to pay anyways.
Not to mention that many of these substances pose serious health risks, and mixing prescription drugs without oversight is just asking for something horrible to happen.
[QUOTE=download;50406333]I'm surprised that companies or some sort of charity doesn't sell abortion drugs online.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=download;50406649]And? It's not like they train sniffer dogs to sniff out aborticide. Obviously this would be mailed from out of the US.[/QUOTE]
buying drugs online is a really stupid idea no matter how you slice it, unless you very very specially know what you're doing.
Of course, reason being is because there are so many counterfeit drugs out there its not even funny, that if people started selling abortion drugs we would start seeing counterfeit abortion pills, and that would be a fucking DISASTER.
[QUOTE=J!NX;50406782]buying drugs online is a really stupid idea no matter how you slice it, unless you very very specially know what you're doing.
Of course, reason being is because there are so many counterfeit drugs out there its not even funny, that if people started selling abortion drugs we would start seeing counterfeit abortion pills, and that would be a fucking DISASTER.[/QUOTE]
There's a big difference between buying drugs off a drug dealer and buying of an international charity dedicated the cause.
[QUOTE=download;50406954]There's a big difference between buying drugs off a drug dealer and buying of an international charity dedicated the cause.[/QUOTE]
Not when they are both highly illegal. Do you really think the federal government would just casually overlook a [I]public[/I] facing organization with an avowed mission statement of flagrantly circumventing federal law? Particularly when the said goals fly directly in the face of what a sizable portion of the federal politicians in the country believe?
Yeah, it's beyond whacked that people cannot feasibly get these procedures done. With that said, pretending that your idea would ever work is teetering on being straight up delusional. I mean hell, lets draw an equally ridiculous comparison here. Let's create an internationally funded charity, based in America, with the sole objective of smuggling guns into Australia.
Do you seriously believe that your government wouldn't flip the ever-living fuck out?
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;50411920]Not when they are both highly illegal. Do you really think the federal government would just casually overlook a [I]public[/I] facing organization with an avowed mission statement of flagrantly circumventing federal law? Particularly when the said goals fly directly in the face of what a sizable portion of the federal politicians in the country believe?
Yeah, it's beyond whacked that people cannot feasibly get these procedures done. With that said, pretending that your idea would ever work is teetering on being straight up delusional. I mean hell, lets draw an equally ridiculous comparison here. Let's create an internationally funded charity, based in America, with the sole objective of smuggling guns into Australia.
Do you seriously believe that your government wouldn't flip the ever-living fuck out?[/QUOTE]
Mind explaining how you think America would go about stopping a charity in another nation from exporting drugs that are legal in that nation? You really think they would embargo a nation that's probably an ally over it? You're the one that's delusional.
[QUOTE=FurrehFaux;50406192]Just another example of how well prohibition of something works. It drives it underground and makes it ridiculously unsafe. Not trying to start a life vs choice debate but in all honesty we need a federal ruling to make abortion legal. A fetus has no consciousness so it can't think beyond basic instinctual cognition.[/QUOTE]
You're barking up the wrong tree. If you think the unborn fetus has it's own rights, then no number of illegal abortions is going to make you think it should be legal. It's more akin to arguing that child porn should be legal because lots of people participate in an illegal market for it anyway.
It's a totally different argument than something like banning alcohol or drugs.
[QUOTE=download;50411936]Mind explaining how you think America would go about stopping a charity in another nation from exporting drugs that are legal in that nation? You really think they would embargo a nation that's probably an ally over it? You're the one that's delusional.[/QUOTE]
So Kim Dotcom and Megaupload getting nuked is a thing that never happened then?
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;50412134]So Kim Dotcom and Megaupload getting nuked is a thing that never happened then?[/QUOTE]
Piracy is illegal in New Zealand.
[QUOTE=download;50412141]Piracy is illegal in New Zealand.[/QUOTE]
And drug dealing internationally isn't?
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How is this any different than a 'charity' importing heroin, cocaine, etc?
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;50412234]And drug dealing internationally isn't?
[editline]29th May 2016[/editline]
How is this any different than a 'charity' importing heroin, cocaine, etc?[/QUOTE]
Federal vs state legislation
[QUOTE=download;50411936]Mind explaining how you think America would go about stopping a charity in another nation from exporting drugs that are legal in that nation? You really think they would embargo a nation that's probably an ally over it? You're the one that's delusional.[/QUOTE]
You can't sell drugs of this kind over the internet, if a charity, even outside the US did it, they would first loose financial protections in the US and second the FBI would begin contacting their country of operation and work with authorities there, then they would be shut down by their own country for trying to circumvent US law
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The stupid thing about this is these stuffy old men and women would rather these women potentially die from coat-hanger and poison induced abortions than make the procedure safe and avalible
[QUOTE=windwakr;50413784]Why are so many woman having unwanted pregnancies? Do they not know what birth control is? You can't tell me these are all rape babies or deformed fetuses.[/QUOTE]
Texas is a complete joke when it comes to sexual education in schools. they are still pushing "abstinence only," a method shown again and again to not be effective. states with this program tend to have the highest teen pregnancy rates, for example
[QUOTE=da space core;50413931]Texas is a complete joke when it comes to sexual education in schools. they are still pushing "abstinence only," a method shown again and again to not be effective. states with this program tend to have the highest teen pregnancy rates, for example[/QUOTE]
and highest [B]repeat [/B]teen pregnancy rate lol
[QUOTE=windwakr;50413784]Why are so many women having unwanted pregnancies? Do they not know what birth control is? You can't tell me these are all rape babies or deformed fetuses.[/QUOTE]
Why does it matter how they got pregnant? They should be allowed to abort the fetus no matter what. An unwanted child can ruin lives.
Wow, totally did not see that one coming.
[sp]Obvious sarcasm[/sp]
I've heard some fucking awful stories about DIY or backstreet abortions, it's amazing that you could think of what they're doing and consider it preferable to safe terminations.
[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;50418743]I've heard some fucking awful stories about DIY or backstreet abortions, it's amazing that you could think of what they're doing and consider it preferable to safe terminations.[/QUOTE]
there's men and women right now who probably see these numbers and say "yey the system is working!"
[QUOTE=phygon;50413182]Federal vs state legislation[/QUOTE]
If it was internal to the US, the FDA would absolutely shit on it since it would be handing out controlled substances. If it was done 'under the radar', it would be handled by the FBI/DEA, maybe even USPIS, just like any other interstate drug thing.
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