Bullying has been a big problem for many people, and it doesn't matter the age or institution, this is a problem that should be addressed, and it seems like its been thrown to the side, leaving the matter to school Councillors, teachers and Principals to handle it. There is no law against bullying besides harassment, but many institutions don't seem to take it seriously until it reaches a tipping point, and that is the only time the authorities will be called in to handle the situation. I'm not referring to cyber bullying in my point, but rather physical bullying here. The schools wants to take matter into their own hands, but it normally doesn't help much. Suspending a student would only be temporarily, since the student would still return to the school and can still continue bullying the individual. From my own experience, I think there should be harsher laws. We have a place called the 'Boys home' which is a juvenile detention center, but its only for people who are teenagers and committed crimes like Theft or smoking. Here, the laws are very light, and there are many cases of bullying within schools but many of it goes unheard of, since the teens here don't dare to speak out in fear of the bullying getting worse. I think they should be sent to juvenile detention centers, or be required to do community work. What do you think?
The best way to deal with being bullied is to carry on in my opinion and try to improve on what they are harassing you about.
[QUOTE=Sally;42665288]The best way to deal with being bullied is to carry on in my opinion and try to improve on what they are harassing you about.[/QUOTE]
Not really.
Could be sexual orientation, or your religion, things you cannot change.
Best way to deal with bullies is to simply remove them from the schooling system altogether, if your child can't get educated at that school, then they should move somewhere else, but this isn't really a permanent solution, it really does fall on the parent(s) to show them that bullying is wrong.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;42665581]Could be sexual orientation, or your religion, things you cannot change.[/QUOTE]
The only way I've learned to deal with shit like this is to just deny the fuck out of everything and never give them any info on you.
A lot of kids just work that way - they don't really recognize the harm and irresponsibility in bullying. Be it various issues or complexes they're suffering through, they won't acknowledge that to themselves anyhow. So harshly punishing them for the way various circumstances have them temporarily wired, in my opinion, is an ethically slippery slope. Of course, in no way do I condone any act of bullying, but I think that these bullies should rather take mandatory counselling sessions, not be severely punished in some detention centre, tho this method would be effective only with very good counsellors.
[QUOTE=Sally;42665288]The best way to deal with being bullied is to carry on in my opinion and try to improve on what they are harassing you about.[/QUOTE]
That is probably the worst advice for bullying I've ever read. Seriously.
There are bullies out there that pick on others just for the sake of doing it, and don't give a shit about any traits the kids they're picking on have. What if someone is bullying you for being gay? What are you gonna do? Suddenly turn straight in hopes that he leaves you alone?
you can always bully people back
[editline]29th October 2013[/editline]
unless handicapped
"At the school level, although it was hypothesized that these security-related predictors would be related to victimization, there were no significant associations between security climates, Safe Passage program, gang prevention, and peer victimization. [B]Unexpectedly, however, there was positive association between bullying-prevention programs and peer victimization.[/B]" - ([URL]http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jcrim/2013/735397/[/URL])
You want to stop bullying? Teach kids that stopping bullying is a good thing, teach them that it's good to fight back in self defense, and there's nothing wrong with standing up for what's right.
In all honesty, all the anti-bullying crap here just made it worse. Their no-tolerance policy turns away any kid that will step in for others because not only will they get punished, but the bullying doesn't do them any harm so they are offered two choices now, be punished for doing the right thing, possibly destroying their grades in classes, or do nothing and continue letting someone be bullied.
I've been suspended more times than I can count for stepping in to help freshmen or a few handicapped kids. And honestly, my GPA is terrible, I have a GPA is 3.2 and you know what? I could have a solid 4.0 if I didn't have a sense of moral responsibility. The school district here has a solid policy of, "you're suspended? Well you can't make up the assignments you missed, fuck you."
So, no, I'd say that the anti-bullying laws are worthless and counter-productive to the end they wish to achieve. Instead of taking away a student's right of self-defense (this also applies to a third party), we should be giving every opportunity for students to both utilize the authority of the school and their peers to solve problems. The very power of society is lost when you criminalize the act of letting the stronger members of society help the weaker members.
[QUOTE=Sally;42665288]The best way to deal with being bullied is to carry on in my opinion and try to improve on what they are harassing you about.[/QUOTE]
So bullies should be my life coach?
There are people who will hate or even despise you through out your life. You cannot
change these things as you cannot expect life to let you through easily. The best way
is to let it be, it is the way you or anyone else can go rather than making things even
worse.
I don't think stricter punishments would make for a better society as a whole.
I think what we should really do is focus more on teaching kids how to handle and report bullies, and better educating parents and teachers on how to support the child.
Too many bullies and bullied kids happen because of crappy parenting skills. I think we should solve the problem at the roots instead of going after the leaves.
Honestly I think that we should teach kids how to deal with this kind of shit, rather than making more ineffective rules. As shitty as it sounds, you can't fix people being assholes, some people just don't care about rules and enjoy hurting other people, and so putting more rules in place will do nothing. We need to teach kids how to avoid being targets. And in the case of cyberbullying, kids must be taught the golden rule of the internet: Don't feed the trolls.
just stand up for yourself
all this shit about "tell an adult" never works
[QUOTE=Death_God;42698796]just stand up for yourself
all this shit about "tell an adult" never works[/QUOTE]
I'd say to only use that as a last resort when the adults don't listen.
Letting kids take matters into their own hands might just result in things like Columbine.
When I was a kid, I kinda wanted to shoot all the people that wronged me....
One time I stabbed a kid. Almost got expelled, but no one ever fucked with me again. But see, I COULD have gotten expelled. That's why it needs to be a last resort.
[QUOTE=Alonguy;42703938]I'd say to only use that as a last resort when the adults don't listen.
Letting kids take matters into their own hands might just result in things like Columbine.
When I was a kid, I kinda wanted to shoot all the people that wronged me....
One time I stabbed a kid. Almost got expelled, but no one ever fucked with me again. But see, I COULD have gotten expelled. That's why it needs to be a last resort.[/QUOTE]
Except the alienation and the general lack of the school doing anything as an authority figure is what causes kids to feel that way.
[QUOTE=draugur;42704623]Except the alienation and the general lack of the school doing anything as an authority figure is what causes kids to feel that way.[/QUOTE]
Which is why we should be getting on the parents/guardians/teachers and not just punishing kids harder.
Punishing and shaming kids for bullying more just results in more psychological issues for them.
If there were harsher laws on bullying, this site would not exist.
But seriously, I'm torn on the issue because not enough research has been done on the motives of bullying.
I think adults need to take sides, especially when it comes to kids fighting back against known bullies.
[QUOTE=Sally;42665288]The best way to deal with being bullied is to carry on in my opinion and try to improve on what they are harassing you about.[/QUOTE]I don't think the bully is genuinely concerned for the person they're picking on's well being, and sometimes it's not even a trait that's "bad".
ex: I'm not going to pretend I'm straight to sate some sack of shit at school.
Furthermore, why would you want to adjust to a person who takes pleasure in beating on other kid's mental image about what you should be? That's just absurd.
Also, I believe that schools should employ a near zero tolerance policy. If a kid is bullying another, s/he gets suspended along with some other punishment that doesn't make getting suspended just day(s) off. Lastly, those who continue to bully others (depending on how long and severity as well as how it affected the victim(s)) should be expelled. Maybe add some external consequence so other schools that they end up attending will know about their previous behavior?
We don't need hurt feeling police putting people in jail.
[QUOTE=Sally;42665288]The best way to deal with being bullied is to carry on in my opinion and try to improve on what they are harassing you about.[/QUOTE]
The best way to stop bullying is to not have bullies to begin with.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;42816656]The best way to stop bullying is to not have bullies to begin with.[/QUOTE]
That's like saying the best way to stay dry is to get rid of all the water on earth. Idealism has its place, but it doesn't belong in discussion about real policy.
Not laws, no, but I think the public school system should get it's shit together and deal with bullies in a more restrictive way, rather then them gettting "a stern talkin' to" and that's all.
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