• Germany arrests three suspected Auschwitz guards
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[Quote]Three men aged 88, 92 and 94 have been detained by German authorities on suspicion of being guards at the Nazi death camp at Auschwitz. The homes of a number of men were raided in three German states, months after prosecutors investigating Nazi-era war crimes announced they were recommending charges against 30 people. The three men taken into custody have been sent to a prison hospital. More than 1.1 million people, most of them Jews, were murdered at Auschwitz. The three men detained all live in the south-western state of Baden-Wuerttemberg and are suspected of involvement in murders that took place between 1942-45. They were taken to Hohenasperg prison hospital in Ludwigsburg, reports say.[/quote] [Quote] A court decided that by being a worker at a concentration camp he was guilty of being an accessory to murder. This meant that courts did not have to prove active participation in killing to find a suspect guilty of murder, [/quote] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26282592[/url] 21st century justice, gentlemen. Its a fucking joke.
For god's sake, let them live the rest of their lives in peace. It's as if there aren't any other places where they could have used the resources. Like, say, catching REAL criminals.
They got a good 5 years left. Let them be. And finish their lives. I am sure they're already destroyed about what went on there.
Most of these cases are pointless, a lot of them end half-way through because they die before anything's reached.
Nevermind the fact that these guys were more than likely drafted to be there whether they liked it or not.
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Just let them live the few years they have left in peace.
ITT: It's OK to work at a death camp as long as you get away with it for a long time. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("itt" - Orkel))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Explosions;43990004]ITT: It's OK to work at a death camp as long as you get away with it for a long time.[/QUOTE] at least convict them and then pardon or whatever, I'd imagine a symbolic victory would be better than nothing
[QUOTE=The golden;43989801]Oh yeah, good job catching those dangerous criminals. These 90 year old men who are probably on their death-bed won't be a threat to anyone anymore! Is this justice or is this just fucking childish revenge?[/QUOTE] Time doesn't negate the fact they participated in the slaughter of innocent people. If they truly where involved they deserve no pity. [editline]20th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Explosions;43990004]ITT: It's OK to work at a death camp as long as you get away with it for a long time.[/QUOTE] That seems to be the idea
[QUOTE=Explosions;43990004]ITT: It's OK to work at a death camp as long as you get away with it for a long time.[/QUOTE] no it's just dumb and pretty useless to throw a bunch of withering potatoes into prison when they're going to die in less than ten years, regardless of whatever monstrosities they [i]may[/i] had part in, willingly or not. if they truly are bad men, then they've already won, I don't think a few years in prison is going to really punish them, even a death sentence, considering they've lived life to the almost fullest. If anything, they just end up costing extra upkeep in the prisons.
[QUOTE=certified;43989845]Nevermind the fact that these guys were more than likely drafted to be there whether they liked it or not.[/QUOTE] I didn't realize you could be drafted into the SS [editline]20th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=DBFT;43990044]no it's just dumb and pretty useless to throw a bunch of withering potatoes into prison when they're going to die in less than ten years, regardless of whatever monstrosities they [i]may[/i] had part in, willingly or not. if they truly are bad men, then they've already won, I don't think a few years in prison is going to really punish them, even a death sentence, considering they've lived life to the almost fullest. If anything, they just end up costing extra upkeep in the prisons.[/QUOTE] It takes away a few last years, I am sure that means a lot
[QUOTE=Explosions;43990004]ITT: It's OK to work at a death camp as long as you get away with it for a long time.[/QUOTE] No one said it's okay, just that it's fucking pointless to continue this witch hunt. If you absolutely insist on chasing down a bunch of withering old footsoldiers then thats on you but public resources should NOT be allocated towards this shit.
So my question is: what if they had been discovered 20 years ago when they were in their 70s? Would it be OK to imprison them then? What if they were in their 60s? 50s? What's the magic number that absolves you of responsibility for participating in genocide?
[QUOTE=Bazsil;43990078]No one said it's okay, just that it's fucking pointless. If you absolutely insist on chasing down a bunch of withering old footsoldiers then thats on you but public resources should NOT be allocated towards this shit.[/QUOTE] Why did we even bother prosecuting war criminals right after WW2? Its not like they had the capacity to do anything after the fall of Nazi Germany
[QUOTE=Explosions;43990004]ITT: It's OK to work at a death camp as long as you get away with it for a long time.[/QUOTE] it's not about it being okay, it's about these guys basically being in their last years of their life, 60 years later they're going to jail just for being a guard? that's absurd, let them live. I doubt they're going to start some camp force shoving Jews into it any time soon.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;43990103]Why did we even bother prosecuting war criminals right after WW2? Its not like they had the capacity to do anything after the fall of Nazi Germany[/QUOTE] Because we already had them and the world still suffered from their influence and the pain it caused. Try again.
Sounds like a country still ashamed enough to keep searching for ancient embers of a dead Reich.
[QUOTE=Explosions;43990097]So my question is: what if they had been discovered 20 years ago when they were in their 70s? Would it be OK to imprison them then? What if they were in their 60s? 50s? What's the magic number that absolves you of responsibility for participating in genocide?[/QUOTE] I have my own question: What about these men is so dangerous that looking for them in their 90s is worth the cost of time spent looking for criminals that plague this world today? Sorry but if it came down to putting someone who commits crimes in the present behind bars vs. someone who committed crimes during WWII, i'd choose the criminal of the present in a heartbeat. I'd hope you'd do the same.
[QUOTE=Bazsil;43990123]Because we already had them and the world still suffered from their influence. Try again.[/QUOTE] Suffered from their influence? How is that?
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;43990146]Suffered from their influence? How is that?[/QUOTE] The wounds were still fresh...? Is Nazism not dead? Is that why we're putting 90 year old men in jail, to strike fear into Nazis? They wont live long enough to reform if they even need it. They won't live long enough for any time served to be an adequate punishment. They pose no threat to society today. So... why are public resources being spent looking for them?
[QUOTE=Explosions;43990097]So my question is: what if they had been discovered 20 years ago when they were in their 70s? Would it be OK to imprison them then? What if they were in their 60s? 50s? What's the magic number that absolves you of responsibility for participating in genocide?[/QUOTE] Yes. It would be much better to have caught these people then, than now. When they're withering away, and will likely die within the next few years. There is no point of throwing old dying men in prison, and using tax money that can be used on something else keeping them alive for the next few years. As one other person in this thread said, most of them end up dying before anything comes to actually happening. Simply at the point it just not worth the time and effort. A lot of these men where also forced to do it as well. A good deal of them have already been punished through the lengthy trials that had happen after the war. Or perhaps they fled. If not those two, they where likely captured by the russians, and held in imprisonment doing forced labor up into the [B]80s or 90s[/B]. And if they where forced into doing this, they've had their entire life to think about what they've done and I'm sure it haunts them up to this very day.
germany has already paid great sums of money to those who the holocaust had effect on it has no need or requirement to continue showing what we already know, 21st century germany is not nazi-germany.
Germany is trying too hard
[QUOTE=Explosions;43990097]So my question is: what if they had been discovered 20 years ago when they were in their 70s? Would it be OK to imprison them then? What if they were in their 60s? 50s? What's the magic number that absolves you of responsibility for participating in genocide?[/QUOTE] Only fools use prison as an excuse for revenge. Prison is to protect the population from dangerous individuals while they get rehabilitated. Unfortunately many countries don't see it that way and decide that prison instead is meant to lock up people we don't like forever because they did something bad.
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;43990216]Only fools use prison as an excuse for revenge. Prison is to protect the population from dangerous individuals while they get rehabilitated. Unfortunately many countries don't see it that way and decide that prison instead is meant to lock up people we don't like forever because they did something bad.[/QUOTE] Well practically, that seems to have always been the case throughout history.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;43990050]I didn't realize you could be drafted into the SS [editline]20th February 2014[/editline] It takes away a few last years, I am sure that means a lot[/QUOTE] a lot of camp guards were drafted. Hell they used jews top control each of the bunk groups
[QUOTE=Bazsil;43990189]The wounds were still fresh...? Is Nazism not dead? Is that why we're putting 90 year old men in jail, to strike fear into Nazis? They wont live long enough to reform if they even need it. They won't live long enough for any time served to be an adequate punishment. They pose no threat to society today. So... why are public resources being spent looking for them?[/QUOTE] Nazism was dead before the official end of ww2. People where prosecuted because they committed horrible crimes, not for fear of a Nazi resurgence. If that was the case there where plenty of influential Nazi Party members who should have been prosecuted. There was no threat from them
[QUOTE=Explosions;43990097]So my question is: what if they had been discovered 20 years ago when they were in their 70s? Would it be OK to imprison them then? What if they were in their 60s? 50s? What's the magic number that absolves you of responsibility for participating in genocide?[/QUOTE] They weren't the pioneers of the Holocaust, and were quite possibly dragged into, or indoctrinated into the position as just guards. Unless it can be proven, and I mean proven, not just proven they were there and all this accessory to murder bullshit, that they actively sought to and relished in the opportunity to undertake the murder they had free reign to do, like the sort of sadistic guards who took the caps off Jews in Auschwitz and threw them a distance just to use the person as moving target practice as they picked the cap up, they should have been released and given the shame and misery of having taken part in the massacres and being on the losing side as their punishment, unless they were a threat. If the person has what, 5~ years to live, they should be left the fuck alone unless they're a threat.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;43990241]Nazism was dead before the official end of ww2. People where prosecuted because they committed horrible crimes, not for fear of a Nazi resurgence. If that was the case there where plenty of influential Nazi Party members who should have been prosecuted. There was no threat from them[/QUOTE] Why prosecute them for these horrible crimes, then? Why didn't we just let them go?
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