[As predicted] Cameron to EU: proposals 'not good enough'
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British Prime Minister David Cameron, left, stands with European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker prior to a meeting at EU headquarters in Brussels on Friday, Jan. 29, 2016. British Prime Minister David Cameron is kicking off a high-stakes weekend
[quote]David Cameron has warned European leaders that new proposals designed to keep the UK in the EU are "not good enough".
The Prime Minister said more work was needed as he also cast doubt on the chances of an agreement at a crunch summit next month.
On the table had been an offer of a so-called 'emergency brake', that would allow the UK to prevent EU migrants claiming in-work benefits for four years.
Under the plans, UK officials would decide when to implement the 'brake' as long as they could prove that the UK's welfare system was under extreme pressure.
Downing Street is keen to hammer out a new deal with the EU as soon as possible so it can call its pledged In/ Out referendum for June.
Ministers fear that with the ongoing migrant crisis affecting Europe any delay could increase the chances of an ‘Out’ vote.
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So, I haven't been paying attention to the whole UK leaving the EU stuff going on.
Can someone tell me if it's bad and how bad it is?
It's just about the worst kept secret in Westminster that David Cameron would move heaven and earth to keep Britain in the EU, so it's hardly surprising that he asking for literally nothing. God Forbid a British Prime Minister has to go around Europe to ask for permission to change Britain's benefit law, the mere premise of Cameron's "Renegotiation" proves the point of many of the Eurosceptic's arguments.
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Yikes! John Oliver looks different when he's not on TV doesn't he?
Sick of hearing about this to be honest.
Yes it's important for us to stay in but the EU has become much more centered and non democratic for instance relating to the migrant crisis where I believe someone said they would force countries to accept a migrant quota even if they didn't want them?
[QUOTE=Xonax;49637024]So, I haven't been paying attention to the whole UK leaving the EU stuff going on.
Can someone tell me if it's bad and how bad it is?[/QUOTE]
Under EU laws, our welfare system is taking a huge hit by economical migrants. We are being presented with unaffordable statements from Brussels. We don't have as much border control as we'd like as we're in the EU and being strung along by Merkel's enactments. It's not nearly as democratic of an organisation as we once thought it was (We've seen that since Merkels invitation). Our bailouts for other nations are putting further strain on us.
Since the Paris attacks and what followed thereafter I no longer believe in the safety of the EU borders (as border policies are forced upon us and threatened with punishments)
Pros/cons:
[url]http://debatewise.org/debates/784-the-uk-should-leave-the-european-union/[/url]
[editline]30th January 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;49637054]Sick of hearing about this to be honest.
Yes it's important for us to stay in but the EU has become much more centered and non democratic for instance relating to the migrant crisis where I believe someone said they would force countries to accept a migrant quota even if they didn't want them?[/QUOTE]
It's definitely centralised and bureaucratic. Have you seen EU parliament videos recently? It's every other country shouting at Merkel and Juncker and then basically being told "if you've nothing to contribute shut up"
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49637059]Under EU laws, our welfare system is taking a huge hit by economical migrants. We are being presented with unaffordable statements from Brussels. We don't have as much border control as we'd like as we're in the EU and being strung along by Merkel's enactments. It's not nearly as democratic of an organisation as we once thought it was (We've seen that since Merkels invitation). Our bailouts for other nations are putting further strain on us.
Since the Paris attacks and what followed thereafter I no longer believe in the safety of the EU borders (as border policies are forced upon us and threatened with punishments)
Pros/cons:
[url]http://debatewise.org/debates/784-the-uk-should-leave-the-european-union/[/url]
[editline]30th January 2016[/editline]
It's definitely centralised and bureaucratic. Have you seen EU parliament videos recently? It's every other country shouting at Merkel and Juncker and then basically being told "if you've nothing to contribute shut up"[/QUOTE]
economical migrants, eh? are they hybrid or electric?
'Under EU laws, our welfare system is taking a huge hit by economical migrants' our welfare system is taking huge hits from cuts not migrants lmao, 5 billion out of 160 is paid out to unemployment, with most of those being British peeps, and the majority of those being out of work within the last few years rather than being perpetually out of work
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49638717]'Under EU laws, our welfare system is taking a huge hit by economical migrants' our welfare system is taking huge hits from cuts not migrants lmao, 5 billion out of 160 is paid out to unemployment, with most of those being British peeps, and the majority of those being out of work within the last few years rather than being perpetually out of work[/QUOTE]
Yep. But the media (I'm looking at the likes of the Sun and the Daily Mail) love to try and pin it on immigration or foreign issues rather than our own internal problems like the aforementioned welfare cuts whilst big companies are still getting tax breaks.
Britain has like 5.2% unemployment, which is pretty good to me, and only a small number of those who are unemployed are EU immigrants.
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49637059]Under EU laws, our welfare system is taking a huge hit by economical migrants. We are being presented with unaffordable statements from Brussels. We don't have as much border control as we'd like as we're in the EU and being strung along by Merkel's enactments. It's not nearly as democratic of an organisation as we once thought it was (We've seen that since Merkels invitation). Our bailouts for other nations are putting further strain on us.
Since the Paris attacks and what followed thereafter I no longer believe in the safety of the EU borders (as border policies are forced upon us and threatened with punishments)
Pros/cons:
[url]http://debatewise.org/debates/784-the-uk-should-leave-the-european-union/[/url]
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I'm sorry but the 'migrants taking our benefits' line is utter bullshit. I have no idea where people got this idea because it has absolutely no grounding in reality. For instance, if you'd direct your attention to: [url]www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN06955.pdf[/url] You'd see that the percentage of claimants from the UK is consistently above 90% no matter which way you spin it and a quick google gives you plenty of other places to see this truth laid bare. The whole concept is nothing but a malicious lie born purely out of racism and I guarantee that there is nothing anyone can do to categorically prove that wrong.
And just to spice this up with a bit of anecdotal evidence, I was on JSA for a few months last year and you know how many non-white British people I saw at the countless meetings/interviews/CV review sessions? A big fat zero. The only reason I even noticed was because it was actually strange to see so many white people in one place compared to every day life.
You want to know why Cameron's never going to succeed in these negotiations? Because the things he's approaching the rest of the EU with aren't even real issues. Like the benefits issue, most of the gripes people in the UK have with the EU come from the spin and bollocks of the Murdock empire and other unsavory news outlets. How can someone agree to fix a problem that doesn't even exist?
[QUOTE=The mouse;49637040]It's just about the worst kept secret in Westminster that David Cameron would move heaven and earth to keep Britain in the EU, so it's hardly surprising that he asking for literally nothing. God Forbid a British Prime Minister has to go around Europe to ask for permission to change Britain's benefit law, the mere premise of Cameron's "Renegotiation" proves the point of many of the Eurosceptic's arguments.[/QUOTE]
To be honest from what I hear of the proposal from a bunch of people that were around the closed door negs. It's incredibly generous towards the UK. Like massively so.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;49643286]To be honest from what I hear of the proposal from a bunch of people that were around the closed door negs. It's incredibly generous towards the UK. Like massively so.[/QUOTE]
It really says a lot about the inflexibility of the EU when almost nothing is still incredibly generous.
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