• Is this Russia's first gay wedding? Legal loophole allows lesbian couple to marry because one of the
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[IMG]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/11/1415722417044_Image_galleryImage_Here_come_the_brides_in_S.JPG[/IMG] [QUOTE]A lesbian couple were legally wed in Russia on Friday, despite the country's ban on same-sex marriages. Irina Shumilova and Alyona Fursova were able to exploit a legal loophole because, despite living as a gay woman, Irina is a transsexual and listed as male on her passport. Bride Irina explained that she categorically does not identify as a man. 'Yes, in my passport it says 'male',' she said. According to her: 'Transgender is a term to describe discrepancies between social and biological sex. I am transsexual, meaning that despite I have XY-genome (sic), psychologically I am a woman.' The couple married at a registry office in St Petersburg, with both choosing to wear traditional white wedding dresses for the day. They were surrounded by their friends and family who could be seen clapping and smiling as the two brides entered the building. Their situation was explained by LGBT rights activist Anna Anisimova, 'The official registration by two women happened because one of them is a man according to the documents,' she said. 'Formally it was a wedding between a man and a woman but de-facto it was between two women. It was the first (LGBT wedding) in Russia. Both brides wore white dresses.' Following their nuptials Irina and Alyona were given a legal marriage certificate. Irina is currently undergoing hormone therapy and wears a blonde wig and make-up at all times. However, despite their joy at their big day Irina and Alyona's union has come under fire from some members of their community who have suggested that their marriage should be annulled. St Petersburg MP Vitaly Milonov has said that he will investigate the validity of their marriage and made controversial comments. He claimed that the workers at the registry office should not just have checked their sex on their passports. Milonov reportedly told the Russian media, 'I understood their [registry office workers'] unconvincing arguments; they formally approached the issue and saw passports, but not people. I told the head [of the wedding registry office] that it is criminal negligence.' He went on to say the wedding was, 'an ugly insult to millions of Russian families in the future... There are certain moral standards which it is vital to implement. These mad people should be banned altogether from getting married.' Russia is known for its discrimination against those in the LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) community. Until 1999 homosexuality was referred to as a mental illness. And although sexual activity between same-sex consenting adults in private has not been a criminal offence since 1993 there are still strict rules over the propagation of gay rights propaganda. Indeed, in 2013 a law was put in place banning the distribution of materials promoting the LGBT community to young children. And earlier this year a shocking documentary named Hunted highlighted the plight of gay people in Russia. Although many see Irina and Alyona's marriage as a step forward for the country and the first of its kind gay rights activist Nikolay Alekseev disagrees. [/QUOTE] Read more: [URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2830068/Is-Russia-s-gay-wedding-Legal-loophole-allows-lesbian-couple-marry-one-born-man.html#ixzz3JDmowgr9[/URL] Take that Russian Lawmakers!
Check mate, Putin.
[quote] He claimed that the workers at the registry office should not just have checked their sex on their passports. [/quote] It'll be like in the good old days: Before you may enter the holy marriage, there will be a series of tests; are you MAN enough to marry this woman?
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;46501970]Now what's the bet everyone is going to exploit this.[/QUOTE] Yes, every gay couple has the good fortune of one of them being transgendered.
It's not actually first case, same scenario happened few months ago by same principe in Moscow, just sayin.
So Russia will be forced to choose between considering her legally a woman or allowing the marriage? Oh, who am I kidding though? Russia will find some idiotic way to deny both parts.
The opposite often happens in America, straight couples can be prevented from marrying in states that don't allow gay marriage because one of them was trans. Kind of nice to see this loophole cutting the other way.
Wasnt this already done by another through the exact same loophole? It was even posted here with pretty much an identical title (several months ago iirc)
[QUOTE=Milkdairy;46502066]Wasnt this already done by another through the exact same loophole? It was even posted here with pretty much an identical title (several months ago iirc)[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=karimatrix;46502013]It's not actually first case, same scenario happened few months ago by same principe in Moscow, just sayin.[/QUOTE] Yup yep yeppity yes sir.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;46501970]-whats wrong with people tonight? usually you get the witty-ness but w/e-[/QUOTE] [quote=edited out original post]Now what's the bet everyone is going to exploit this.[/quote] We usually do. Of course there has to be something witty in the first place.
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;46501925][IMG]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/11/1415722417044_Image_galleryImage_Here_come_the_brides_in_S.JPG[/IMG] [/QUOTE] Largest concentration of hipsters in whole Russia.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;46502391]Largest concentration of hipsters in whole Russia.[/QUOTE] Nope, just gays not much difference in apperance, though gays have better taste :v:
[QUOTE=J!NX;46502400]Nope, just gays not much difference, though[/QUOTE] You are a really good poster
[QUOTE=millan;46502404]You are a really good poster[/QUOTE] I love you too! [sp]note that I'm a gay making a gay joke[/sp]
It isn't a loophole. He's still a man biologically and legally, no matter what he imagines himself to be or how he dresses. If I said that I identify as a Dog, insert a tail buttplug in my butt and marry a woman, you could say that a Dog used a loophole to mary a human legally.
[QUOTE=Spor;46502428]It isn't a loophole. He's still a man biologically and legally, no matter what he imagines himself to be or how he dresses. If I said that I identify as a Dog, insert a tail buttplug in my butt and marry a woman, you could say that a Dog used a loophole to mary a human legally.[/QUOTE] brilliant. someone marry this man so we can have the first dog marriage in russia
[QUOTE=MenteR;46502432]brilliant. someone marry this man so we can have the first dog marriage in russia[/QUOTE] Man, Russia is really going down hill! What's next?! horse couples!?!? [t]http://mcphee.com/shop/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1200x1200/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/h/o/horse_mask_and_smoking_jacket_combo.jpg[/t] duck marriage!?! [t]http://mcphee.com/shop/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1200x1200/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/6/m6343__89795.jpg[/t] Gays?!? SLIPPERYSLOPE [sp]Russia is so ass backwards with gay marriage it's not even funny. You'd think they'd have legalized it considering the circumstances of trying to be opposite of america :v:[/sp]
[QUOTE=Spor;46502428]It isn't a loophole. He's still a man biologically and legally, no matter what he imagines himself to be or how he dresses. If I said that I identify as a Dog, insert a tail buttplug in my butt and marry a woman, you could say that a Dog used a loophole to mary a human legally.[/QUOTE] Isn't it wonderful when one kind of xenophobia wins over other kind of xenophobia and at least one group is happy in the end?
[QUOTE=millan;46502462]Isn't it wonderful when one kind of xenophobia wins over other kind of xenophobia and at least one group is happy in the end?[/QUOTE] I don't know about xenophobia or loopholes, but technically, a man and a woman just got married in Russia. The law doesn't care about how you look or nothing, it just checks your gender based on your passport. (S)he still couldn't marry a man. [editline]16th November 2014[/editline] Although I'm sure the lawmakers are still just as disgusted by this and want to rule it out. So yeah, kind of a loophole.
I don't get why it's so important for gay people to get married. Can't they just live together without telling it to everyone and kicking the hornets nest?
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;46502723]I don't get why it's so important for gay people to get married. Can't they just live together without telling it to everyone and kicking the hornets nest?[/QUOTE] The hornets nest is full of assholes.
I see at least three Michael Jacksons in the background of that photo.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;46502723]I don't get why it's so important for gay people to get married. Can't they just live together without telling it to everyone and kicking the hornets nest?[/QUOTE] [i]I don't get why it's so important for straight people to get married[/i] Are you actually suggesting that gay couples shouldn't be allowed to marry? Marriage and civil partnerships also usually include rights and legal responsibilities that you don't get in a regular relationship.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;46502723]I don't get why it's so important for gay people to get married. Can't they just live together without telling it to everyone and kicking the hornets nest?[/QUOTE] I don't get why it's so important for black people to get civil rights. Can't they just live without telling it to everyone and kicking the hornets nest?
[QUOTE=Spor;46502428]It isn't a loophole. He's still a man biologically and legally, no matter what he imagines himself to be or how he dresses. If I said that I identify as a Dog, insert a tail buttplug in my butt and marry a woman, you could say that a Dog used a loophole to mary a human legally.[/QUOTE] what's with people comparing transgenderism to something like identifying as a dog and thinking that their bigoted opinions are relevant
[QUOTE=J!NX;46502460]Russia is so ass backwards with gay marriage it's not even funny. You'd think they'd have legalized it considering the circumstances of trying to be opposite of america :v:[/QUOTE] How would legalizing Gay Marriage make Russia different from America? It seems like a new American state legalizes Gay Marriage every other month, and a plurality of Americans now support it.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;46502723]I don't get why it's so important for gay people to get married. Can't they just live together without telling it to everyone and kicking the hornets nest?[/QUOTE] It has significant social implications including the way the people are taxed, the way inheritance is handled, the decisions the other is allowed to make for you - for instance if you get fucked up and end up in hospital, they can't even tell your partner what happened to you and how are you doing, etcetera.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;46502868]How would legalizing Gay Marriage make Russia different from America? It seems like a new American state legalizes Gay Marriage every other month, and a plurality of Americans now support it.[/QUOTE] To be fair, it's been illegal for the longest time. Only now is there this huge spike in support. I mostly said that out of buttfrustration that it isn't COMPLETELY legal universally here. even if 1 state doesn't allow it it's not enough for me. [editline]16th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Ownederd;46502867]what's with people comparing transgenderism to something like identifying as a dog and thinking that their bigoted opinions are relevant[/QUOTE] some people actually believe gays/trans are equal to animals yes these people exist and that is awful it's regretful to anyone that isn't a terrible person
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46502867]what's with people comparing transgenderism to something like identifying as a dog and thinking that their bigoted opinions are relevant[/QUOTE] Same reason they compare gay marriage to beastiality, and why they blame Jews for pretty much everything that's ever gone wrong in human history, it makes them think they're actually justified in their bigotry.
[QUOTE=Spor;46502428]It isn't a loophole. He's still a man biologically and legally, no matter what he imagines himself to be or how he dresses. If I said that I identify as a Dog, insert a tail buttplug in my butt and marry a woman, you could say that a Dog used a loophole to mary a human legally.[/QUOTE] Bullshit, in Russia transsexuality is recognized. Sure it's pain in the arse to get your documents changed accordingly, but then again - anything regarding bureaucracy in Russia is pain in the arse. Not all documents are changed (like birth certificate and the like, also copies of passports and in various records made pre-op), so that's what is creating a loophole. Transsexual person in Russia is fully recognized as belonging to a gender they changed to. [QUOTE=Bat-shit;46502641]I don't know about xenophobia or loopholes, but technically, a man and a woman just got married in Russia. The law doesn't care about how you look or nothing, it just checks your gender based on your passport. (S)he still couldn't marry a man. [/QUOTE] Bullshit again. Once you have conducted an operation, you can get a special certificate. You take it to the legal department and they change your passport accordingly. Once it's done, you [b]legally[/b] belong to a gender (and sex, those two things are not legally differentiated in Russia) you wished to belong to. [editline]16th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=MuffinZerg;46502723]I don't get why it's so important for gay people to get married. Can't they just live together without telling it to everyone and kicking the hornets nest?[/QUOTE] Not being recognized in a legal field sucks ass. All the legal benefits and access to justice system - just poof!, gone. Why people marry :downs:
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