Plurality of Canadians want to Deport illegal border crossers fleeing Trump
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[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-immigration-poll-exclusive-idUSKBN16R0SK[/url]
[QUOTE]Nearly half of Canadians want to deport people who are illegally crossing into Canada from the United States, and a similar number disapprove of how Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is handling the influx, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released on Monday.
A significant minority, four out of 10 respondents, said the border crossers could make Canada "less safe," underlining the potential political risk for Trudeau's Liberal government.
[B]The increasing flow of hundreds of asylum-seekers of African and Middle Eastern origin from the United States in recent months is becoming a contentious issue in Canada.[/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Canadians appeared to be just as concerned about illegal immigration as American, according to the poll, which was conducted between March 8-9. [B]Some 48 percent supported "increasing the deportation of people living in Canada illegally."[/B] (For graphics on asylum process, immigration poll see tmsnrt.rs/2nyY8CJ)
When asked specifically about the recent border crossings, the same number - [B]48 percent - said Canada should "send these migrants back to the U.S." Another 36 percent said Canada should "accept these migrants".[/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Kevin O'Leary and Kellie Leitch, top contenders to be leader of the official opposition right-leaning Conservative Party, [B]both said the poll showed they were right to demand Ottawa deter border crossers.[/B]
[B]Like Trump, O'Leary is a brash businessman and television personality with little experience of politics.[/B][/QUOTE]
Would be hilarious if Trump inadvertently made his own style of leadership more popular in Canada.
I mean I may be missing something massive here but I'm guessing that these people are not following proper Canadian immigration procedure?
Is there any formal process to take in these people from America or is Trudeau just kinda hand-waving letting them in?
Those goddamn illegal 'Muricans taking over our land and our jerbs!Canada first! (this is a joke)
There's a problem with Africans landing in america then walking over the border in to Canada illegally and they end up walking across blizzarding fields for hours on end because they forgot that it snows in Canada, then they're found missing some fingers/toes.
is O'Leary actually a top contender or is just because he's as much of a cunt as Trump everyone assumes he'll be as successful?
I for one believe that they should be allowed in. These poor American refugee's, have nowhere else to go.
[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51991061]I for one believe that they should be allowed in. These poor American refugee's, have nowhere else to go.[/QUOTE]
Y'all read? This isn't about american citizens crossing into Canada illegally. It's about middle eastern and African migrants landing in America (illegally) then crossing into Canada (illegally)
[QUOTE=Claxx;51991074]Y'all read? This isn't about american citizens crossing into Canada illegally. It's about middle eastern and African migrants landing in America (illegally) then crossing into Canada (illegally)[/QUOTE]
They're coming from America. If there were to be deported, they would be deported to America and not Africa. Thus as far as I'm concerned they're "americans".
[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51991075]They're coming from America. If there were to be deported, they would be deported to America and not Africa. Thus as far as I'm concerned they're "americans".[/QUOTE]
The way you worded it made it sound like you were being sarcastic about how burgers feel that they're entitled to live here bc of the election.
[QUOTE=Claxx;51991055]There's a problem with Africans landing in america then walking over the border in to Canada illegally and they end up walking across blizzarding fields for hours on end because [b]they forgot that it snows in Canada[/b], then they're found missing some fingers/toes.[/QUOTE]
wow.
Is education really that poor in these countries that they don't understand that generally speaking the further north you go the colder it's gonna get?
[QUOTE=Mr Kotov;51991081]wow.
Is education really that poor in these countries that they don't understand that generally speaking the further north you go the colder it's gonna get?[/QUOTE]
I might have worded it wrong, I'm not sure exactly but it can be for that reason or they couldn't bring what they needed for the conditions or figured they could tough it out.
[QUOTE=Claxx;51991085]I might have worded it wrong, I'm not sure exactly but it can be for that reason or they couldn't bring what they needed for the conditions or figured they could tough it out.[/QUOTE]
I'm not clued up but I'm gonna guess it's largely because they are trying to keep a balance of trying to travel as lightly as they can and not making great decisions on what to take with them?
If you are taking young kids like a lot of these people are then that's even more stuff to consider taking with you. Maybe an extra coat isn't at the top of your priority list.
I, for one, just don't want Canada to be further tied into US's bullshit.
O'Leary and Leitch are walking jokes. Personally, as long as we have the infrastructure to help these refugees acclimatize to Canadian culture, and as long as they're willing to respect Canadian law and be productive members of society, I see no issue here.
So when is Mr garrison going to fuck trudeau in the ass?
[QUOTE=Cone;51991059]is O'Leary actually a top contender or is just because he's as much of a cunt as Trump everyone assumes he'll be as successful?[/QUOTE]
O'Leary would need to become fluent in French before he'd be allowed to actually run and he's pretty old so that's probably not happening.
It's funny, shortly after the election a Canadian friend of mine jokingly offered to marry me so that I could get citizenship if I wanted to flee, lol.
[QUOTE=Broguts;51993149]O'Leary would need to become fluent in French before he'd be allowed to actually run and he's pretty old so that's probably not happening.[/QUOTE]
Plus he's anti-gun and he said something along the lines of only cowards join the military, so he's already alienated two huge conservative voting blocs.
This is my opinion on the matter. Our infrastructure can handle only so much. Trudeau's spending is already way out of control. I'm about to leave university and have to pay off my loans, and I'm going to be taxed MORE because of Trudeau, because what he is spending, needs to be paid for somehow. And I'll pay even MORE if we have to provide healthcare, room and board for [U]illegal[/U] immigrants / refugees.
I have no problem with [U]legal[/U] immigrants. My grandparents were immigrants, on both sides. Legal immigrants are checked out by the Canadian government and must meet a certain standard in order to not be a burden to the government and be able to contribute to the economy.
A country budgets what it can spend on welfare, healthcare and infrastructure based on the population. If we see a massive influx of people that we can't take care of, then people who need care who are legal citizens can no longer get help.
It's a really nice thought to let as many people in as possible, but it's simply NOT feasible, realistic or responsible. It takes away from legal hard-working citizens.
[I]​Just wait until the summer when it warms up, more people will come.[/I]
Just wait until european immigration is completely locked down, then they are fucked.
Goddammit, these people arent gonna take your job, they dont speak the language or have any connections, money, or clothes.
Also why do people think terrorists are like even a majority? Morality is a trait found in our brains, being a killer is not as common as some news outlets would make you think.
[QUOTE=archangel125;51991472]O'Leary and Leitch are walking jokes. Personally, as long as we have the infrastructure to help these refugees acclimatize to Canadian culture, and as long as they're willing to respect Canadian law and be productive members of society, I see no issue here.[/QUOTE]
A lot of immigrants in Canada don't really acclimatize to our culture though. I originally moved for Europe to East Coast Canada and basically consider myself a Canadian... Moving to the west coast was basically a culture shock, especially walking down some streets with no signage in English and service only in Mandarin.
A lot of fellow immigrants I meet are definitely Canadian through and through but to me it's clear that Canada has a ways to go with its immigration and integration policies.
I am also someone who has no problems with immigrants and refugees applying through the proper channels. We can manage the inflow and we can properly keep records on you and/or transfer information and credentials between governments.
If you are coming from across the Atlantic or the Pacific, then travelling thousands of kilometers to make it through a short length of border to seek asylum in Canada either you are (in order) stupid and blew god knows how much being smuggled here, you are too impatient to use the regular channels which admittedly can take months or years or you are actually here for malicious intent. For each case though if you're from Sudan (purely an example country) and you are showing up at the Manitoba border seeking asylum we aren't going to let you in on effort alone. You are being processed, then sent back. We know nothing about you.
This isn't Europe. We know you did more than just walk and hitchhike a few hundred kilometers.
This wouldn't happen if the immigration process was faster in both the US and Canada. Because then they'd be able to legally immigrate.
[QUOTE=Cone;51991059]is O'Leary actually a top contender or is just because he's as much of a cunt as Trump everyone assumes he'll be as successful?[/QUOTE]
he needs to win the vote of his party first later this year, and he is pretty much at the bottom of the food chain in terms of support, with only 1 mp supporting him
the top guy has 22 mps supporting him with the next highest guy having 6
it does come down to votes in the end but the odds of him getting the position are extremely low
I'm like 30 minutes from the border and I'd fuckin love to become a Canadian citizen, I'm genuinely so over America. I'd actually do it if I had any marketable skills whatsoever that would give them cause to let me stay.
me personally im marrying my best friend so i can ditch finland for canada
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Goddammit, these people arent gonna take your job, they dont speak the language or have any connections, money, or clothes.
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That's the problem, I along with every other Canadian that works full time pay taxes have a problem with it. Thousands of dollars every year that comes out of our pockets to keep this country running.
There are billions of people on earth living in poverty, opening the floodgates and letting them all come here and be supported by government tax dollars will destroy our way of living and increase taxes.
If they can work and are educated I don't mind them living here but Canada isn't a refugee camp.
Not to mention everyone complaining about automation taking so many jobs and unemployment rising, the government is trialling basic income. You can't have people coming into the country who don't know english and aren't educated or not willing to contribute to the country when you have basic income.
[QUOTE=Saturn V;51994664]me personally im marrying my best friend so i can ditch finland for canada[/QUOTE]
Why are you leaving Finland?
[QUOTE=Mr. Sarcastic;51995649]Why are you leaving Finland?[/QUOTE]
finland is a dead end for me
[QUOTE=Sheer Visor;51994417]A lot of immigrants in Canada don't really acclimatize to our culture though. I originally moved for Europe to East Coast Canada and basically consider myself a Canadian... Moving to the west coast was basically a culture shock, especially walking down some streets with no signage in English and service only in Mandarin.
A lot of fellow immigrants I meet are definitely Canadian through and through but to me it's clear that Canada has a ways to go with its immigration and integration policies.[/QUOTE]
But that hasn't been my experience at all. Keep in mind, I've lived in the Greater Toronto Area - one of Canada's most diverse urban sprawls - for all fifteen years of my time here. I find that - to use your example of the Chinese - almost every store in Chinatown has english lettering as well as Chinese, to draw business of westerners. Their employees speak at least passable English, even if not great. Gotta give them credit for trying, considering how different the languages are, and that all of them are first-gen immigrants. I should know all this - I shop there with my folks regularly, because there's a couple of places that make spring rolls to die for, and because many of their grocers sell great cuts of meat for cheap. And the only people I've noticed who don't really seem to learn the language are people above the age of 70 - and even some of those do. Given how hard it is to learn a totally new language at that point, I'm willing to forgive them that. These older folk tend to rely on their sons, daughters and grandchildren to translate for them. And from what I've seen even they tend to adopt Canadian culture, if not the language.
Every single thing I've seen in a decade and a half indicates that immigrants to Canada of all faiths ages, mothertongues and ethnicities truly do their best to acclimatize and assimilate. There are always going to be outliers, but they're the exception - not the rule.
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