• The Greek referendum question is two paragraphs long
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[url]http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33311422[/url] [quote]The wording of the Greek debt referendum has been released, and it's a bit of a puzzler.[/quote] [img]http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/16293/production/_83917709_3e812b88-8801-476b-aedf-2d758f4aa760.jpg[/img] [quote]Canada actually introduced an act of parliament to avoid exactly these kinds of questions being put to the public. After two long and convoluted referendum ballots on Quebec independence in 1980 and 1995, the "Clarity Act" stipulated that an independence referendum must be essentially: "Do you want independence, yes or no?" As well as being a little bit dense, the Greek ballot also controversially puts the "No" option - favoured by the Greek government - above the yes option, leading some to accuse it of bias. It is an "unusual" format, said Katie Ghose, Chief Executive of the UK Electoral Reform Society.[/quote] [img]http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/18405/production/_83933399_83925674.jpg[/img] Still not as bad as this though: [img]http://i.imgur.com/h38yg2K.png[/img] For comparison, last year's Scottish referendum was praised for not bullshitting around: [img]http://i.imgur.com/QGYrGjt.png[/img]
I really don't think that Greek question is that hard to understand. But that Quebec question? What the flying fuck?
[QUOTE=DogGunn;48086417]I really don't think that Greek question is that hard to understand. But that Quebec question? What the flying fuck?[/QUOTE] It designed to make the question as confusing as possible so people vote no to it "just in case". John Howard did the same thing on the Republic question in 1999 or 1998.
This isn't hard to read at all ..?
Are they saying Greeks can't remember the question after two sentences? I mean it's just spelling out specifically which documents the referendum is referring to
Clumsily worded maybe but it's entirely understandable, at least in English. Might be more confusing in Greek.
I think its quite a concise description of what they are voting on. They are dealing with something pretty serious, maybe more so than the two other examples given in the OP so the voters should have a proper explanation at the time of voting.
[QUOTE=download;48086433]John Howard did the same thing on the Republic question in 1999 or 1998.[/QUOTE] Eh, that's a bit of a myth. The question itself was straight foward: [QUOTE]Do you approve this proposed alteration?- A proposed law: To alter the Constitution to establish the Commonwealth of Australia as a republic with the Queen and Governor-General being replaced by a President appointed by a two-thirds majority of the members of the Commonwealth Parliament. FOR / AGAINST[/QUOTE] The problem was the material leading up to the referendum which somewhat insinuated that the President would be in a similar role to the US President.
This referendum is just Tsipras stalling since it is already known 80% of the country wants to stay and anyone saying otherwise is in a vocal and stupid minority. I'd much rather have the banks get out of that 'holiday' since they aren't allowing web access (through web banking obviously) to funds.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;48086620]Eh, that's a bit of a myth. The question itself was straight foward: The problem was the material leading up to the referendum which somewhat insinuated that the President would be in a similar role to the US President.[/QUOTE] Yes, which is confusing.
[QUOTE=download;48086657]Yes, which is confusing.[/QUOTE] The story is about the question being confusing, not the supplementary material.
That question is needlessly obtuse.
[url]https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/greek-bailout-fund#/story[/url] Go on and fund it!
[QUOTE=DogGunn;48086417]I really don't think that Greek question is that hard to understand.[/QUOTE] It really isn't, any Greek who knows basic reading comprehension can understand it, but of course the Greek media are spinning it out of control. It's vomit-inducing.
TWO PARAGRAPHS Just two sentences with one being a bit choppy.
Just about all they can afford.
[QUOTE=NGC;48086642]This referendum is just Tsipras stalling since it is already known 80% of the country wants to stay and anyone saying otherwise is in a vocal and stupid minority. I'd much rather have the banks get out of that 'holiday' since they aren't allowing web access (through web banking obviously) to funds.[/QUOTE] It's to bad the question is about accepting a deal or not, not staying I'm the EU. And last I ever saw opinion polling put the 'yes' answer somewhere around 50%, not 80%.
It kind of seems like a run on sentence, but it's still easy to understand.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;48086417]I really don't think that Greek question is that hard to understand. But that Quebec question? What the flying fuck?[/QUOTE] Opposite for me, don't know what the fuck Greece wants but Quebec makes sense. Not concise, but easily understandable.
[QUOTE=download;48086433]It designed to make the question as confusing as possible so people vote no to it "just in case". John Howard did the same thing on the Republic question in 1999 or 1998.[/QUOTE] Tbh, the question seems to be really really clear to me in the Quebec referendum. Though that might be because I'm a legal student. The Greek one seems fine to me as well, although I would shift a few words. From should the plan of the agreement be accepted, which was to should the plan of the agreement, which was ...., BE ACCEPTED Basically if you cut up the greek question (it probably makes more sense in greek) you get. Should A be accepted? A is this. A is made up of this. These things make up A. Decide [QUOTE=Srillo;48086585]Clumsily worded maybe but it's entirely understandable, at least in English. Might be more confusing in Greek.[/QUOTE] I'd say less. Since the sentence structure seems odd in english. As such, it's probably a direct translation of greek.
Are people incapable of reading nowadays? It's literally just two sentences, if you can't comprehend two sentences maybe you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
FYI this is the actual question in Greek [IMG]http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/FBF7/production/_83930546_greref.jpg[/IMG] It does look like 2 proper paragraphs.
Greece should never have been allowed in anyway. If you want all these countries to run under one currency, you should never have a powerhouse (like Germany) be put alongside others with such small output.
[QUOTE=Jsm;48102432]FYI this is the actual question in Greek [IMG]http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/FBF7/production/_83930546_greref.jpg[/IMG] It does look like 2 proper paragraphs.[/QUOTE] Probably how the Greek language is built
[QUOTE=Jsm;48102432]FYI this is the actual question in Greek [IMG]http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/FBF7/production/_83930546_greref.jpg[/IMG] It does look like 2 proper paragraphs.[/QUOTE] That's mostly due to the font and how the page was styled. If you make a similar setup in english (And also added in nonenglish titles for the two documents, which I forgot) you get a very similar look and feel. That doesn't really make it any more complicated. [t]http://i.imgur.com/N8ET9cX.png[/t]
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